BetUS Unfiltered S2 #003​ | Warren Sapp & Gary Payton Discuss Kids, College, Mentors & Giving Back

March 11, 2021
The third installment in Season 2 of BetUS Unfiltered with Warren Sapp and his new partner Gary Payton stretches the gamut of years in their discussions. They tackle NBA All-Star news, giving back to the kids, the importance of College and having respectable mentors with host Dawn Lupul. You get finished off with another passionate 99 Seconds of the big man, Warren Sapp.

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Dawn Lupul:
Welcome to Unfiltered, brought to you by BetUS. It is America’s favorite sports book because all you do, you bet, you win, your ass gets paid, your ass gets paid. Let’s bring in the talent on this show, let’s bring in the star power. We have, of course, Warren Sapp, our nine time pro-bowler-

Warren Sapp:
Seven.

Dawn Lupul:
… our Super Bowl champion.

Warren Sapp:
Seven.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay, seven, I’m going to take two away from you. And you didn’t even play in two of them, did you, or three?

Warren Sapp:
Three.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay. Who’s counting? Because look who we have, who is nine time-

Gary Payton:
Robbing everybody.

Warren Sapp:
That’s the nine guy, that’s the nine guy, he’s got nine, he’s got nine.

Dawn Lupul:
He’s got nine.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, he got nine, he got nine.

Dawn Lupul:
Mr. Gary Payton, of course. Both of you are all stars, I know that part. And I know it was from 2013, and Hall of Famers, you’re Hall of Famers, you’re all stars, your everything. We’re going to talk about all this kind of stuff, because we just had the NBA All Star Game happen, we’ve got a lot going on.

Dawn Lupul:
But Warren, you’ve got friends and sometimes they do things they don’t really tell you what’s going on, even though you just talked to them, they don’t let you know what’s happening. So, we may have to call a certain somebody on this set Coach Payton soon.

Warren Sapp:
Uh-oh.

Dawn Lupul:
So here we go, he talks to Forbes but he doesn’t talk to you and me, I don’t know.

Warren Sapp:
Oh! Big daddy’s happening over there! Big daddy is happening!

Dawn Lupul:
Here’s a quote from Mr. Payton-

Gary Payton:
Remember I told you, I told you warren.

Warren Sapp:
I was listening, I was listening. We just dragging you, we just dragging you. You got to be drug a little bit. If you can’t get drug on BetUS your ass shouldn’t be on here.

Dawn Lupul:
It’s unfiltered. This is for Gary himself.

Warren Sapp:
And I need my cash out, and I need my cash out.

Dawn Lupul:
Talking to Forbes’ Sean Devaney, asked about his desire to coach he said, “It is still the case. I’ve got a surprise coming for a lot of people pretty soon. I don’t want to announce it right now,” he’ll announce it today. “But you’ll see it pretty soon in the next couple of weeks. I hope everybody will be excited about it.”

Dawn Lupul:
Mr. Payton, what do you have to say for yourself?

Gary Payton:
Well you guys, like I said I have to keep it a surprise, I can’t put it out here on Bet too. But it’s going to be soon, I mean, I’m trying to get something in the works right now. I’m trying to help these kids out, that’s all I’m trying to do. I’m just trying to get kids to get scholarships and sponsors. A lot of these kids are in areas where they don’t have an opportunity. A lot of these teams, these cultures don’t come to their neighborhoods to see them. And then the good ones gets missed. You know what I’m saying?

Gary Payton:
It’s always the top guy who are getting recruited, but the ones … It’s the other ones that’s on the teams that’s pretty good too, you give them the opportunity and let these scouts see them. Then they’ll be like, “Ooh, we ain’t never seen him. That’s diamond in the rough.” And that’s all I’m trying to do.

Gary Payton:
I’m trying to give these kids that’s not the five star, the four star, to give them the opportunity to come and show of their talent. And then, be under my leadership. If my leadership can get to the NBA, we can get to general managers and I can tell them, “I’ve got a kid over here, come see him.” And then when they come see him, they can see two or three of them on the basketball team and say, “Hey, we’re going to go after these guys man. We’re going to draft them or give them an opportunity to come and be a free agent or something,” and just give them a chance to get out of their situations, that’s all.

Dawn Lupul:
I like it, I like it. Warren, you just have to know your story, right? Playing in the dirt in Florida there-

Warren Sapp:
A three star, a three star right here, three star right here. That’s what we’re looking for, GP, good job baby. Make sure all the kids have an opportunity to go off to college, because that is the best four years you will ever spend anywhere on God’s green Earth. And the people you meet, and the things you learn, and the experience you go through. That’s the beauty of it, it allows them to see something other than that 10 blocks that they’re used to looking at. And now the world it your canvas, paint it with bold strokes baby and enjoy it.

Gary Payton:
And Warren, you said the right thing, the four best years of your life. I went to school four years, Warren, I didn’t go to one and done man. I grew up in college, I grew up loving college, going to college and learning how to be a man. And, that’s the best thing you can say right there. Because, some of these kids have to go to school this long to be a good basketball player and a good human, or a good football player and a good person.

Warren Sapp:
Yes.

Gary Payton:
And I’m glad you said that, because some of these kids be, “Man, I’m one and done. I’ll be out of here in six months,” and they’re not ready.

Warren Sapp:
Nope.

Gary Payton:
They’re just not ready for the prime time and then all of a sudden you get lost when you go to the pros, and then you’re in the G League, you’re in another league, you’re in another league. And then all of a sudden, you don’t have nothing to do and you have to get a 9-5. So I think they need to understand that too, come and learn from our leadership. When I announce this, it’s going to be a little bit different.

Dawn Lupul:
So, is there a gap there? Obviously, that’s what you’re saying, there’s a little bit of a gap and these kids are falling through, that maybe don’t stand out right away but the potential is there. And, you would probably be able to see that wouldn’t you?

Gary Payton:
What I’m trying to do there is, Dawn, I’m trying to coach these guys. A lot of these guys don’t get coached nowadays. And you see, as Warren said, he was a three star and came in and now he’s a Hall of Famer. You’ve got to understand that. But, he went to the University of Miami and got coached. See, they got coached and then they got a lot of guys together who were them type of dogs that they work. They put about 30 or 40 dogs together in Miami, and then they were a problem. And if I can do that with anybody and put 8 or 9 of these guys as dogs together, and we become a problem too.

Gary Payton:
And I’m going to complicate Deion Sanders now, because he’s got Jackson State doing the same thing. He’s got players who come in there, that they don’t understand. And that’s all I’m trying to do, I’m just trying to get 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 dogs together and get them started. That’s all I want, I just want 9 good dogs and we’re going to go to war with anybody.

Warren Sapp:
Yes, yes.

Dawn Lupul:
I love it. Warren, that same Deion Sanders team that you were going to coach for, wasn’t that the big rumor not long ago?

Warren Sapp:
You better stop that, you better stop that.

Dawn Lupul:
I’m sorry.

Warren Sapp:
You don’t do Fox News do you?

Dawn Lupul:
I’m sorry. No, I’m not a Fox watcher.

Warren Sapp:
That’s who dropped that line. I went after it, I was like, “Hold up dog, M-I-S-S my ass. Uh-uh (negative), no, no, no.”

Dawn Lupul:
Well-

Warren Sapp:
The city of Jackson hasn’t had water in the last month, y’all.

Gary Payton:
Okay, I got you.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah.

Warren Sapp:
No running water in the city of Jackson, Mississippi for the last month. Are you kidding me right now?

Dawn Lupul:
Are you kidding me?

Warren Sapp:
In the 21st Century, in the 21st Century. Are you kidding me?

Dawn Lupul:
In America, in America.

Warren Sapp:
This ain’t Flint, this ain’t Flint. There’s a bunch of towns like Flint and Jackson out there, we just have to put a spotlight on them. But this is bad, it’s bad.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, it’s extremely bad. It’s totally unacceptable, absolutely. We’ll get into this too. Because obviously, you guys were so, so good at what you did, so talented. The awards are there, the accolades are there. And to give kids the chance to maybe realize something, even if they don’t end up going on to the pros. But, to have some sort of playing opportunity.

Warren Sapp:
No, to go to college, go to college.

Dawn Lupul:
To go to college.

Warren Sapp:
The people you meet, the education you learn. I mean, I know people who are CEOs of companies and billionaires that I met in college. And the only thing you have to do is forge that relationship with them and then go on from there. This ain’t always about playing football or basketball, your odds are better being a brain surgeon than doing what I did for a living. So, you better get your ass to learn something.

Gary Payton:
And that’s a good point too. Again, Warren, I tell these guys when I go to camps and everything, “Listen, you can be the same as me and Warren. You can sit up in front of everybody, you can be a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher. You can be anybody to influence, to make some big things on anybody, to put anything on anybody.” And, you don’t have to be a professional basketball player or football player. That doesn’t make it, you can get popular by doing anything you want to do. You can become a great leader become that.

Gary Payton:
We look at Obama, he became a president. You know what I’m saying? They didn’t think he was going to be that-

Warren Sapp:
Community organizer, started as a community organizer.

Gary Payton:
Organizer, and became a president of the United States.

Warren Sapp:
Most powerful man in the world.

Gary Payton:
So, we’re trying to tell all these kids, “Man, go to school, get an education because-

Warren Sapp:
Open your horizons, open your platform, open your pallette. Let the world be your canvas and then paint with bold strokes. You ever seen a Picasso? It looks like a 9-year-old drew that shit.

Gary Payton:
And Warren, you don’t know who you’re going to meet, because the person who you meet in college, he might become a billionaire and fool around and hire you.

Warren Sapp:
Come holler right at you, dog. Me and you used to do that 1, 2 thing. “Dog, come to my company right here and I’ll have a $20 million salary for you. Come on in here and get this thing done for me.”

Gary Payton:
There it is, that’s how it happens.

Dawn Lupul:
I love it.

Warren Sapp:
You never know, you never know.

Dawn Lupul:
And that’s how we change the world.

Warren Sapp:
Yes.

Dawn Lupul:
It starts with the young people, and you get educated, and you make a better future for yourself and a better life for yourself.

Warren Sapp:
The kids are our future, the kids are our future.

Dawn Lupul:
Absolutely, yes.

Warren Sapp:
Yes.

Dawn Lupul:
Yes, yes. The opportunities are there, they’ve always been there for both of you to coach if you were to choose to do so. Warren, that has not been an avenue you wanted to travel. In fact I’ve found a quote from you, this goes back to an interview from 2018. You just, you don’t have the patience, you don’t want to do the grind but you said, I’m quoting. “I don’t want to be in there watching tape with some prima donna that makes $10-$12 million a year and he’s worth $2.” You said, “These kids are special.” Do you want to comment on that?

Warren Sapp:
Oh no, it’s very simple, Dawn. Since I’ve got out of the game, and I hate doing the, “When I played,” but that’s the way we have to do it. There’s no such thing as coaching, if you’re coaching a kid you hate that’s how they look at it. If you ain’t alike, a follower, a comment, or a supporter of it, you hate it. “Son, I’m not hating, I’m trying to let you see where your deficiencies are.” Every time I walked on a football field to practice or get down, I got in my weak stance. I didn’t get in my strong stance, because to beat a man you attack his weakness, to break a man you go to his strength.

Warren Sapp:
You was not beating me, because I was working on my weakness. And there was no way in hell you was breaking me, because if I got in that cock stance with that pull trigger I’m lighting your ass up. And that’s what I want kids to understand, I was chasing Bob Lilly, Merlin Olsen, Mean Joe Greene and Randy White. I wasn’t chasing Johnny Randle, Johnny Randle was on the field with me. I didn’t see him, I saw the icons, the legends of the game. You have to look beyond your little surroundings, because this game is 101-years-old that the National Football League is talking about. And we’re talking about some of the greatest men that ever walked God’s green Earth, so I wanted to know who they was. And then I wanted to chase they ass down, because I wanted to sit beside them.

Warren Sapp:
That’s what you have to do, and these kids don’t care nothing about that. They … Like Brandon Marshall, a very good wide receiver in the league, he didn’t know who Sterling Sharpe was. Wait a minute, you don’t know the first back-to-back 100 catch receiver? Then what the hell are you in the game about? What is this about, son? You must see history, you must be appreciative of what came before you, that’s what makes you great.

Dawn Lupul:
I was listening to an interview just yesterday with Dr. J and it was fantastic, it was fantastic. Gary, obviously … Some of the things you said, it was like, “What does it feel like to fly?” What does it feel like to be the best? And he thought about it for a minute and he said, “It feels pretty good, because if you soar you can score.”

Dawn Lupul:
I love that. There’s such a history of both of your sports that the kids today, they need to dive into that-

Warren Sapp:
They don’t care, they don’t care, they don’t care.

Dawn Lupul:
… they’re missing out then.

Warren Sapp:
Of course they’re missing out.

Gary Payton:
And we spoiled them too much, with a lot of this money and a lot of these things. So they don’t really get it, and I hate that too. Because, I was going to the All Star Game and we would ask some of these young kids, “Who,” they all know Dr. J. But then you come in and say Willis Reed, they don’t even know who Willis Reed is, man. They never watched him, ever.

Warren Sapp:
Bob Lanier, they don’t know Bob Lanier.

Gary Payton:
Bob Lanier, they don’t know none of these guys, man. And it hurt me that others don’t understand, to just say, “Wow. What are you doing? They the ones who paved the way for you.” You know what I’m saying? “You’re only looking at the Kobes and the LeBrons, man. I get it, it’s your era but you’re playing this game, go back some. Go back some and read that type of situation,” because I made my kids do that. “See what there is, because you’ll like some of these guys who was playing basketball.”

Gary Payton:
But then you get criticized, they criticize you by, “Oh, that was old basketball. They were too slow. They were too this.” I said, “If you would have been back there he would have killed you too.” I said, “And you forgot, he was 21 at one time, he was an athlete too.” You know what I’m saying? Don’t forget that, it wasn’t never what you looked like. He was 21 at the time too.

Gary Payton:
I love the devil out of Julius Erving, George Gervin, guys like that, tiny Nate Archibald. I watched that type of basketball, and that’s what made who I am, man. I came up and I never criticized them. Every time I see an OG I’ll go up to them and be like, “How you doing?”

Warren Sapp:
Hug them, hug them.

Gary Payton:
“I’m glad to see you,” all that.

Warren Sapp:
I’m getting me a selfie, I’m going to get me a selfie with them. I go to Jim Brown, I spotted Jim Brown at the Hall of Fame. I go from the go and I go to everybody else to get me a selfie. And Joe Greene hates selfies, but he got short arms, Gary. Boy I’ll send you the video, he’s reaching for the camera, he can’t get it. I said, “Ooh,” I said, “You’re a T-Rex, you got little arms.” I love them old dudes, them old dudes are the best dog, they are the best.

Gary Payton:
They’re the greatest, especially when you sit down with them, Warren, and talk to them.

Warren Sapp:
And talk with them, yeah.

Gary Payton:
They’re always speaking some knowledge, man. I always work with them, and I’m happy that I’m going to be, in a minute, around all of them in May to go to Kobe’s and Tim Duncan and [inaudible 00:14:46] Hall of Fame.

Dawn Lupul:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Gary Payton:
Because, they’re opening it up on May 13th through the 16th, and everybody’s going to be there. I get to see them again man, and I get to talk to all of the man.

Warren Sapp:
Can you get me a hotel room?

Gary Payton:
They’re all there.

Warren Sapp:
Can you get me a hotel room? I’ll sneak in there too, because I, boy.

Gary Payton:
Oh yeah, come on with it, I got you.

Warren Sapp:
All right, okay, all right.

Gary Payton:
It’s not a problem. All the public is welcome-

Warren Sapp:
Kenya you heard him, Kenya. You heard him Kenya, Kenya hook me up. I’m coming, I’m coming, I got to go to that, I got to.

Gary Payton:
It’s at Mohegan Sun, man, they in a bubble-

Warren Sapp:
The big ticket, the big ticket go there, the big ticket baby.

Gary Payton:
They got us chairs man, we sit up in there man. It’s going to be cool.

Warren Sapp:
Swab me up, swab me up.

Dawn Lupul:
So, speaking of Hall of Fame, because of course the nominations for this year-

Warren Sapp:
Uh-oh.

Dawn Lupul:
… the ceremony that you’re going to, Gary. Of course, was postponed because of 2020 and the year we just don’t even want to think about anymore. So that will be happening in May, but of course later on will be the 2021 induction. The names came out, so I’m sure you guys saw who was there and who wasn’t-

Gary Payton:
Well I’m on the committee, Dawn.

Dawn Lupul:
Oh, so you put your vote in.

Gary Payton:
I’m on the committee, so I know everybody whose moved on.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah. I was curious about how that works so I was looking it up, checking it out. I guess there’s of course, you get nominated, right? And then there’s a selection committee that gets it down to 10-

Warren Sapp:
Is y’all’s as bad as ours, or a little better than baseball?

Dawn Lupul:
Well then, they get it down to 10 North American and 4 women, so 14 go through. And then you have the committee, the Honors Committee, there’s 24 members and they each get a vote, and you have to have 18 votes.

Gary Payton:
18.

Dawn Lupul:
18 out of the 24, to be inducted.

Gary Payton:
18.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah. So that’s how that works, I got educated today and I thought that was fun.

Gary Payton:
Right.

Warren Sapp:
I’m still logged on, don’t worry, I’m still logged baby, I’m still logged.

Dawn Lupul:
You’re in the hall, you go in any hall. Once you’re there you’re, you can go in all three sports if you want. So some of the names coming up this year, we’ve got Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, Chris Webber, Mike Cooper, Lauren Jackson, Ben Wallace. Obviously Gary, you’re going to be placing your vote. Were there any names that you were kind of surprised? Do you think somebody got left off that should have maybe been there this year, or were you good?

Gary Payton:
You know, we got Jay Wright, who is going to be the coach. He’s the one that’s gone father at Connecticut. It was a hard choice, the basketball thing. We were looking at Marques Johnson, which we wanted to get there. But, I think we did put him down but I don’t know, I think he did get to the 10. Well no he didn’t, he didn’t get to the 10. The 10 that we nominated to go to the tournament for the other committee of 24, it’s going to be a good class.

Gary Payton:
We finally got Tim Hardaway to get to the 24. Chris Webber, I’ve been pushing for him for a long period of time. I think Paul Pierce is a for sure shoe in. I think Chris Washington is a for sure shoe in. And, I’m thinking Ben Wallace should be. You know what I’m saying? Ben Wallace should be there.

Warren Sapp:
There you go.

Gary Payton:
Michael Cooper, we got him on that list.

Dawn Lupul:
Sure.

Gary Payton:
People don’t understand, Michael Cooper was the glue to that Los Angeles team. If he didn’t guard everybody and do the things that he did, Magic, Worthy and them couldn’t do a thing because they would have got in foul trouble. But Cooper was that man, him and Kurt Rambis. So, the 10 that we put forth that we voted for on the 16th of May, the 16th of May they’re going to be voted for and I think that we’re going to be a part of that too. To give the 24 committee a little bit more further information on these guys. Because when it gets to them, they just go by what the numbers is and we make them understand what they did in their work. Yeah.

Warren Sapp:
So, how many go in every year of this 14, how many is the max?

Gary Payton:
We don’t have a max, Warren.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, it’s just if you get the number they all go.

Gary Payton:
If all 14 pass, if they get 18 votes they get in. You know what I’m saying? That’s how we do. Under 24 you need 18 votes, if all of them get voted in-

Warren Sapp:
How in the hell is Bill Russell, in 2021, on anybody’s Hall of Fame list? If he ain’t already enshrined in there-

Gary Payton:
[crosstalk 00:19:16].

Warren Sapp:
I got that, I got that. He was in the 60s when he won the championship, as a coach and a player. What the hell taking so long? It’s the 56th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. What the hell is going on around here? Bill Russell?

Gary Payton:
And Warren, we were doing that on our committee and we were saying it just took too long. And then, we had to understand and let some of the other people understand, Warren, that he was the first black-

Warren Sapp:
First, the first!

Gary Payton:
… black coach.

Warren Sapp:
The first.

Gary Payton:
He won a championship doing it. You know what I’m saying?

Warren Sapp:
As a player and coach, won two of them. Oh, stop it. They ought to be shot.

Gary Payton:
So, he’s going to be … I think he’s going to be enshrined quickly, we got him there, he’s going to be there, he’s going to go as a coach. And then we’ve got to understand too, Warren, we don’t know how long we got with Bill Russell left, and that’s what-

Warren Sapp:
I’m wondering what the hell took the NBA so long! I mean, Jesus.

Gary Payton:
It’s not the NBA, Warren. You forgot, we don’t have an NBA, we don’t have an NBA Hall of Fame. We’ve got Naismith, we go from college and the pros, it all combines-

Warren Sapp:
I saw that, I saw that, and I wanted to yell bullshit. Because, Chris Webber should not be in a Hall of Fame. I know you’re pushing for him, but once you call that time out in college, come on, stop-

Gary Payton:
[crosstalk 00:20:39].

Warren Sapp:
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.

Gary Payton:
But we’ve got to look at it like this, Warren-

Warren Sapp:
So the time out equals no championship, and then in the league, in the big minutes, it was [inaudible 00:20:54] and god damn Mike Beebe that would shoot that ball in Sacramento, not Chris Webber. So, I don’t know what basketball y’all are watching. What?

Gary Payton:
But Webb, he got the numbers though, Warren.

Warren Sapp:
What, 20/9?

Gary Payton:
20/10.

Warren Sapp:
20/9, 20/9, you don’t need to round up, you don’t get to round up, like I got 96 1/2. I don’t say 100, I say 96 1/2. That son-of-a-bitch got 9.8 rebounds, that ain’t 10, that’s 9, that’s 9.

Dawn Lupul:
You should have stayed long enough to get 99. Why 96 1/2, 99 would have been perfect. Brett Favre a couple more times.

Warren Sapp:
Dawn, Dawn, Dawn, Dawn you really going to leave … Dawn, I have two digits, we’re looking for the triple digits, you understand? We’re taking Chris Webber from one digit of 9 to 10, so it looks like he had a double double, which shouldn’t be a thing in the NBA for a 6,9 man. Double double? Give me a god damn break. That’s what you should do every night. I had 17/11 in high school, and I was 6,2. So I can just imagine what a 6,9 man do. The ball should just fall in your hands in the rebound. You’ve got to be kidding me man, come on.

Warren Sapp:
And then if y’all don’t take Ben Wallace, the NBA is the fraud. I mean, the Naismith, no, no, I’ll say Naismith. The Naismith is a fraud, and they need to strip Naismith off it and call it the Player’s Hall of Fame, because y’all got to do a better job. 4 time NBA DPOY, 4 times, shit.

Gary Payton:
And Warren, we’ve been trying to get him in there for 4 or 5 years.

Warren Sapp:
Wow, wow.

Gary Payton:
So, we’re trying to do that, and that’s why we’re trying to say the committees are now getting stronger. I give Jerry Colangelo the big ups and props for putting more of the players and stuff in these committees, to let people understand. You’ve got to understand, Warren, it’s just like football. Y’all get all the writers and then the writers take grudges against y’all and don’t want to put you in. With us, man, we’re not looking at that man. We’re looking at what work they did, man.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, yeah.

Gary Payton:
Ben Robinson was a four time player-

Warren Sapp:
No, four time Defensive Player of the Year, four time Defensive Player of the Year, DPOY! I got one, he got four, how many you got?

Gary Payton:
I got one.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, so he doubled me and you, so that what I’m trying to tell you! These two Hall of Famers and we ain’t got but two. He got four and he outside the hall? Stop it, stop it, stop it.

Gary Payton:
Then we make them look at Dennis Rodman. I said, “Y’all put Dennis in there and you’ve got to stick with the fact that-

Warren Sapp:
Come one, man. No, that, hey, listen, listen. That was just flamboyance and foolishness with Dennis, and they liked it. Ben Wallace came to work with his hair out and didn’t take no shit, and they were afraid.

Gary Payton:
Yeah.

Warren Sapp:
That’s what that’s about. One of them you can hang out, yeah, one of them you can hang out with and drink with. One of them you afraid to see outside the basketball court, that’s what it is.

Gary Payton:
Yeah.

Warren Sapp:
The Basketball Hall of Fame, they just don’t talk about it as much as football people. That’s it, that’s it, but we get it, but Ben’s got to get in.

Dawn Lupul:
Warren, I’ve got two questions for you. It’s a list of seven players that Gary and his selection committee are going to vote on

Warren Sapp:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dawn Lupul:
So, give me your top three here, I’ll name them off. We’ve got Chris Bosh, Michael Cooper, Tim Hardaway, Marques Johnson, Paul Pierce, Ben Wallace, and Chris Webber. Who needs in for sure?

Warren Sapp:
For me, Paul Pierce, Ben Wallace, Bill Russell, Jay Wright, that’s 1, 2, 3, 4.

Gary Payton:
No, no, no, she said players, players, just players.

Dawn Lupul:
Chris Webber. Just players.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, players? Bosh got to go with the work he did in Tennessee, yeah. Chris Bosh put in some work, boy. That boy was an absolute beast. And then, with the Miami and defer to [inaudible 00:24:40] and LeBron James, he was a 24/12 guy. He was stuck serious in Toronto, I mean something serious. So, I like him. Paul Pierce was an absolute, the truth, like they put on his shoes, the truth. The truth didn’t play no games from Englewood, California. That boy shoot that thing and was a big time player in the playoffs. I love Ben Wallace, but Tim Hardaway, nah, not for me.

Dawn Lupul:
What about you, Gary, if you just had to pick three? I mean, you’re on the committee so-

Warren Sapp:
One time, one time NBA, one time? He ain’t had the skills, he ain’t had the skills. Them skills wasn’t there. I mean, he padded it but it didn’t go down as much as it should have. So, I mean, not for me. His son’s better, his son’s better, his son’s better.

Dawn Lupul:
Give me your top three.

Gary Payton:
Yeah, it’s hard for me because I know all of them, and they all worthy of it. But if you go to the top three you have to go Paul Pierce is #1, then you would have to basically Bosh is #2-

Warren Sapp:
Bosh, yep.

Gary Payton:
And then, I would have to go Michael Cooper.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay.

Gary Payton:
I would have to go to Michael Cooper-

Warren Sapp:
I like Coop too, I like Coop too, because back in the day Coop was the … Coop was the one they put on Jordan. If you go guard the badest scorer on the other team like Coop did all them years, and I mean he’d lock your ass down. That boy, that was something, with his socks up high. Man, put Coop in the Hall of Fame, stop playing.

Gary Payton:
And he was athletic he was-

Warren Sapp:
Ooh, that [inaudible 00:26:06] thing, he do everything. Yeah, everything.

Gary Payton:
So he would be in my top three, that would be my top three.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, yeah, I’ll go with that.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay. And Warren, part 2, what’s wrong with the NFL selection process?

Warren Sapp:
It’s about stories, because they once told me-

Dawn Lupul:
Oh, stories.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, I mean, it’s about stories and is it told on the NFL network. Because, there’s no way the 55th all time leading rusher should be in the National Football League Hall of Fame. No way, no how. And no quarterback with 208 touchdowns and 208 turnovers should be in the Hall of Fame, the numbers don’t lie. But the story, it’s a great story, but it’s just not a great career.

Dawn Lupul:
The numbers and the tape don’t lie.

Warren Sapp:
No. The eye in the sky would never lie.

Dawn Lupul:
The eye in the sky won’t lie.

Warren Sapp:
No, he was a good player but the NFL story could be told without him, and I’ll leave all the names of the innocent to be protected.

Dawn Lupul:
Why? Come one, we’re here.

Gary Payton:
Don’t talk to them like that, Warren.

Warren Sapp:
Well I told you the [inaudible 00:27:02] of all time, all you have to do is look it up. It ain’t hard. You know what I’m saying? And the look up the quarterback with 208 touchdowns, and you’ve got 208 interceptions and fumbles. So you do the math, just look it up. Do your Google machine and see if their research is worth a damn.

Dawn Lupul:
Google it.

Warren Sapp:
Google them numbers and see what you come up with, you’ll see it. Come on. Great stories, just not Hall of Fame Careers, that’s all I’m going to say.

Dawn Lupul:
I’m good with that actually, I enjoy that.

Gary Payton:
I am too.

Warren Sapp:
Thank you.

Dawn Lupul:
Die hard listeners and fans.

Warren Sapp:
I’m glad y’all like that, I’m glad you two like it, because that’s all I need. That’s all I need is for you two to like it, if you two like it then I’m good.

Dawn Lupul:
I’m loving it, loving it.

Warren Sapp:
Come on.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay. So Coach Payton, I’m going to call you that from now on. Coach Payton-

Warren Sapp:
Ooh, CP!

Dawn Lupul:
He was just … You weren’t at the All Star Game, but you were a feature of the All Star Game, because you got to give away a couple of scholarships. Which had to mean a lot to you, to be able to do that, to help make a couple of kid’s college lives a little bit easier.

Gary Payton:
Well you know, them two kids, they were great kids. They go to the black colleges, I think it’s Prairie View and I think the other one is North Carolina A&T, or something like that. And both were great kids, great kids. One of them played golf, a female actually plays golf. And then the male, he’s a track star and he does every event.

Gary Payton:
When Mountain Dew and the NBA came to me and asked me for this, they know I’m a big part of this, I’m a big part of that. And then, they got a contract for five years to deal with all the black colleges and give funds to, and then get these kids out who are struggling and who need help. The $50,000 that both of them got towards their scholarships and towards their schooling, it’s a big plus for them.

Gary Payton:
The young student athlete, the male one, he is from the bay area. He grew up watching me. He’s a big fan of mine, and that was a great honor for me to give that to him. For a kid that’s come out of where I came out of, to do the things he did is very, very big. Especially with her, she’s a woman Tiger Woods, and she’s doing everything. It was great for us to let them be on virtual on Sunday to watch the game, and they watched it with me. All of us were on virtual, we were looking at the three point contest the whole game, we did that. And, Mountain Dew did a great job of doing that again, plus we rewarded them $50,000 a piece.

Gary Payton:
That’s just beautiful for me, and I’m glad the NBA is involved with it, and now everybody is starting to see that we’re trying to get diverse now. We’re trying to help everything and every cause in this world, to let everybody understand and see what these kids are doing and what they’re trying to achieve in their life and we’re giving them help.

Dawn Lupul:
I love that. Did you watch the game, Warren? Did you watch the All Star Game?

Warren Sapp:
You know what? I was watching it, and then when they took the first half score down and they were just going by quarter. And then they got to 170 and 150, and Giannis was 16 for 60, I went to sleep on that shit. I had to go fishing the next day. Hey, I’m going to tell you like this here, that was some bad basketball though. I mean, I understand Damian Lillard from half court, 2 for 3 and then pass it to Curry. He hit it at the end of the half and that. But, there was some ugly ass shots being taken in that game. There was some masonry going on. It was some brick laying, baby, brick laying! I’m like, “This is some bad shit right here.”

Warren Sapp:
If you can’t shoot the ball like that, go dunk it. I mean, shit, nobody’s playing defense, take the two points. Damn this 27 foot shot that you’re bricking, you’re bricking! I mean, that first quarter was bad.

Gary Payton:
You know, Warren, the game ain’t nothing but about three pointers, I would say the same thing. Go to the bucket, you guys need to go on and take it and go to the basket-

Warren Sapp:
Send them to a dunk contest, and let Curry and them boys shoot from out there, Damian Lillard shoot from out there.

Gary Payton:
Damian, Curry, and Harden, they were the only ones, and Kyrie, they were the only ones that was really, really making the shots. And the other guys, Giannis, you know he was dunking. He banked one, the only jumps he had he banked for three, and then he went 16 for 60 and they had 34.

Warren Sapp:
No, he shot 3 threes, he had 3 threes.

Gary Payton:
He had three? Well, yeah, I missed the other two.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, he had 3 threes.

Gary Payton:
I missed those other two.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, he banked the first one but then he hit two more clean, he hit two more clean, yeah. He had a good night, he had a good night. But, I want to know why I got [inaudible 00:31:47] with that damn LaVine bullshit he tried to get me to bet my money on, and then he didn’t even play. Isn’t that some shit? Paul, I’m done with you, I’m done with you, I’m don’t with you, Paul.

Dawn Lupul:
It was another Barber incident.

Gary Payton:
[crosstalk 00:31:59] … Hey Warren, that wasn’t Paul’s fault, that was them boy’s fault for going to that barber.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah. He’d go to the barber before-

Gary Payton:
Get away from from the barber, man.

Dawn Lupul:
Get away from the barber.

Gary Payton:
They got banned because of the COVID, that’s what it was. He got banned because of that. Him and Simmons went to a barber, and then the barber tested positive for COVID, so they had to go on protocol, that’s why they missed the game.

Warren Sapp:
Wow.

Dawn Lupul:
Well, get away from the barber. What’s wrong with you? So Gary, I’ve got a question for you because you might know. I don’t the answer so I’m going to go to the source. Where did they find who’s going to do the dunk contest? Where do they find them, because we ended up with three names that I had to look up and see who they were. So we have Anfernee Simons, who is a back up guard for Portland.

Gary Payton:
Right.

Dawn Lupul:
Obadiah Toppin, who is a rook forward for the Knicks. And Cassius Stanley, who is rook guard for Indiana. How does that happen?

Warren Sapp:
COVID.

Gary Payton:
What happened was, a lot of people-

Warren Sapp:
COVID.

Gary Payton:
… bowed out.

Warren Sapp:
COVID.

Gary Payton:
A lot of the starters bowed out. And then you go by who do you see is most athletic, and you see these guys, they were very athletic during the season. They did good dunks and then the NBA-

Warren Sapp:
Hold on, hold up. There was nothing wrong with the dunk contest now.

Gary Payton:
No.

Warren Sapp:
I liked that one. I liked that one, compact, short, to the point.

Gary Payton:
Them kids you picked on, you might not know their names-

Warren Sapp:
But they was dunking that thing, they was dunking that thing.

Gary Payton:
… that kid Simons who won it for Portland, he was like that all the time, he’s been like that for the last few years. He was dunking for Portland, he just don’t play a lot. But they see the athletics, he gets off his feet, he’s a high jumper. I think that was one of the best dunk contests that had been around in a couple of years, and all these kids were showing their stuff.

Warren Sapp:
Yes.

Gary Payton:
I think it was right up there. It’s been great, that was a great dunk contest. I’ll approve of that one for the first time in a while. Even with the Gordon and the LaVine one, when they were going back and forth-

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, that was a good one too.

Gary Payton:
… and then he messed up with the 9, he may have messed it up with the 9. I think that was a great one too. But this dunk contest this year was really good.

Warren Sapp:
Oh yeah, that was a good one, it was a good one, I liked this one. I didn’t know who they was, but boy they were up on that rim, boy. I mean, when he bounced it between his legs and backwards. You know how hard that is, to be going forward and bounce that ball back? Man …

Dawn Lupul:
And the little rim on top of the big rim.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, when he took it off that, Simons, that’s when one of them kissed that thing.

Dawn Lupul:
In terms of who benefited from the game, obviously we talked about this before. It’s so important with TV deals and with the money and all that, it’s very important. We talked about LeBron not really wanting to play. He ended up playing not very long, I think 13 minutes, anyways he got 4 points. But he was out there, he’s tired, it’s been a long year for him for sure, for all the Lakers.

Gary Payton:
Yeah.

Dawn Lupul:
But anyway, in terms of numbers, it was down 24% in ratings for television, 18% in viewership. But at the same time, it’s the highest rated NBA telecast of the season because all the numbers are down across the board. And, it’s the most watched, non-football sports cast since the World Series. So the show had to do on, don’t you think so, Gary?

Gary Payton:
Well Dawn, you’re very, very right. It’s still TV, it’s still a lot of endorsements, it’s still a lot of things that’s going on, sponsorships and everything. You can’t cut that off. And then I say just like this, Warren, you have to understand, you have to reward the players. The players who are playing very good, they’re looking forward to becoming an All Star. Especially if it’s their first time All Stars. You think about it, Conley became a first All Star, he was the longest team player that didn’t make an All Star in 14 seasons. And then you go with Jaylen Brown who just made it.

Gary Payton:
You’ve got to give these guys an opportunity, you’ve got to. And I get it, COVID is messing up everything. We only had 2,500 people in the stands in Atlanta, that hurts. That’s because when you go to Atlanta usually a lot of people are there and the players are getting in parties. That might have brung everything down too, because they’ll usually be there and then they’ll be watching it and doing things.

Gary Payton:
But I still think that you have to let it go on. It’s something that these players deserve, they are playing their butts off right now and they deserve it. If you’re playing this year and you’re having a good year, please reward them by saying, “I’m an All Star. I’m NBA this.” They want to go home. You see them, they had all their kids there. The kids were on the floor, this is memories, you take pictures of this. You might not never become an All Star again, why cut it?

Gary Payton:
I appreciate it. And then what LeBron did, he didn’t want to play, he didn’t want to come. Okay, don’t play. This is what he did, he didn’t play, let the other players have fun. It is good, you don’t want to play. Kawhi Leonard didn’t want to play, he didn’t play that many minutes. Good, just sit there and let these people see you and then let the other players who are younger, and has not been there as much, let them play, let them do it. You’ve been there 17 times, whatever, we don’t care about seeing you no more anyway. You’re good, we know who you are.

Warren Sapp:
Yes.

Gary Payton:
We know you the man, so go ahead and I’ll applaud LeBron for doing that. Let them play, it’s good. But he still was right there, mom cheering him on, falling on the floor, doing all of this, that’s what he’s supposed to do, that why he’s in the NBA. He’s in the NBA right now, and he’s showing it by what he’s doing and how he’s doing it professionally.

Dawn Lupul:
It’s good for the sport. It’s good for the sport to let some other people shine sometimes. We’re seeing a lot, obviously in the new right now, big, big time new just broke a couple of days ago with Dak Prescott signing a big contract, huge contract.

Gary Payton:
Whoo! $160!

Dawn Lupul:
Four years, $160 million. The man got paid, big time.

Gary Payton:
Golly!

Dawn Lupul:
Nice to see, nice to see. Warren-

Gary Payton:
Warren, he got-

Dawn Lupul:
Okay, let’s go in the time machine here. I’m now, I’m putting on a different hat. I’m now going to be your agent, both you and Gary. I’m going to be your agent, we’re going to go back, we’re going to put you in some sort of transformer. We’re going to take you back to the prime of your careers. I’m negotiating with the team. Warren we’ll start with you, I’m negotiating your contract and I’m hard nose, I’m a hard ass negotiator and I’m going to get you top dollar. What is Warren Sapp, at his prime worth in today’s market?

Warren Sapp:
$350 million.

Gary Payton:
Whooey! Go get them!

Dawn Lupul:
Is that, can I get that for a year or do we have to spread it out over 4?

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, we have to spread it out a little bit, but that’s it. And we won’t accept anything less than a quarter of a billion.

Dawn Lupul:
Ooh!

Gary Payton:
Whooey, that’s a cold game there.

Dawn Lupul:
I’m getting that, because I get my 25%, do I get 25%? Gary, what about … 2, 2%?

Gary Payton:
2%?

Warren Sapp:
Baby, you ain’t selling nothing but this, you ain’t selling but this. How much you want of this? I mean, come on. You ain’t scraping your ass out there, you get 2%, that’s good money.

Dawn Lupul:
I want half, we’d have to get married first. If we got married I’d get half.

Warren Sapp:
That’s great money!

Dawn Lupul:
What am I getting for Gary Payton on today’s market? I mean, basketball money is insane, insane.

Warren Sapp:
Insane.

Gary Payton:
Everybody, the most someone has gotten is what, $235, $240? I think [inaudible 00:39:42] did it. I think I would be in that range, about $275, I’m thinking about $275. If I was in my prime right now, I was the first point guard to be the highest point guard paid, when I hit the $100 million mark, I signed for $100 million. So, it’s like right now, yes, if I was in there right now me and Damian Lewis. Damian Lewis just re-upped for $190. You know what I’m saying? It made his contract go to $200, I think it’s $240 million with it all combined together.

Warren Sapp:
Shit.

Gary Payton:
And then, you got Curry who signed for I think $205 or $215 or something like that. And then Harden signed for $230. So yeah, I’ll be in the range of $275. I’ll probably try to break it out, the way I play and the way I do it on both ends of the floor. Yeah, I’ll try to break it for $275.

Dawn Lupul:
I like it. Because, there’s got to be … I mean, there’s a limit obviously. You sign a huge contract and it affects the whole team, because now you only have so much to spread to everybody else. Especially this year with the salary cap just getting announced, and they’ve lowered it, obviously, because of financial whatever, with that horrible 2020 year.

Dawn Lupul:
How do you juggle that? How do you put your superstars together and have enough to pay the rest of the team? Because, one guy can’t play by himself.

Warren Sapp:
That’s not my job, that’s the capologist’s. I’m here to collect the Warren Sapp Municipal Fund in the benefit of my children and my mama. I ain’t got nothing to do with your cap.

Dawn Lupul:
You figure it out, that’s why Vega paid the big bucks.

Warren Sapp:
Me in my prime, you got played, that’s why you have a capologist. I don’t know how this works. Spread it however you need to spread it. Put it in a signing bonus, back end it, whatever you need because I’m going to collect it all. I guarantee that, I’m going to get it all.

Gary Payton:
Get it!

Dawn Lupul:
Figure it out.

Warren Sapp:
Me in my prime, shit.

Dawn Lupul:
Well both of you.

Warren Sapp:
Don’t stop, get it, get it. Don’t stop, get it, get it. Don’t stop, rock with it. That kind of money doll, I’m getting that money. Lord have mercy! Lord, that’s a lot of money!

Dawn Lupul:
Gary, I can’t get enough of Warren dancing on the show.

Warren Sapp:
When you talk about a quarter of a million dollars baby, I do the Rolex up in this thing. Whoo!

Dawn Lupul:
I love it, I love it. So yeah, there’s lots of quarter backing in there. We’ll be talking about that as we go ahead, but we’re coming to that part of the show where we’re just going to get right into … Since we got him fired up about a quarter of a million dollars, we’re going to get right into some 99 seconds right now, and find out what is on that beautiful mind of Warren Sapp.

Gary Payton:
99, 99!

Warren Sapp:
You know what? As we sit here and have a small discussion, I was just thinking to myself, “There’s certain rules about the National Football League.” The quarterback has to be a certain height, you know, certain rules that fit certain things. Well, we have a whole new NFL. There’s no more hitting them underneath the chin. There’s no more knocking them out. There’s no more jacked up.

Warren Sapp:
Well I guess there’s something else that ain’t no more, when you get to 30 you are on the downside of your career. We were sitting here the other weekend, I watched JJ Watt. Mr. JJ what? What? You paid him what? In the last five years JJ Watt has played 16 games twice. I’m going to give you his numbers the last five years on sacks.

Warren Sapp:
In 2016 he had 1 1/2. 2017 he had cero, that’s Spanish for zero. Then 2018 he had 16, that’s when he was 29-years-old. When he turned 30-4, 31-5. And now you give him a brand new $32 million deal and he’s 32-years-old on the 22nd of this month. Y’all just throwing away your money out there. These just the Arizona Cardinals throwing away some more damn money. And they know the salary cap is used, but that money on somebody that’s not going to be there for you for 16 games.

Warren Sapp:
Listen National Football League, go back to your old rules because the old rules made the league what it is. Don’t throw away your money on bullshit that you know is gone at 32-years-old. Stop playing.

Gary Payton:
Drop the paper!

Dawn Lupul:
Mr. Warren Sapp. Yeah. So would I be correct in saying you think JJ’s a little over rated with that salary?

Warren Sapp:
No he’s done, that’s what you call that in NFL terms, done. 1-800-blew, 1-800-done. Only way … You’re throwing away your money on a 32-year-old that had 5 and 4 sacks the last two years, you’ve lost your damn mind.

Dawn Lupul:
For sure, the old and slow.

Warren Sapp:
What is it? Hey, there’s two things in … Oh, baby that O-L-D, when that O-L-D set in. O-L-D and taxes, you can count on them two, they going to take it. And the internet, they going to tear that ass up every time.

Dawn Lupul:
Were you surprised by that signing, Gary, because I know there were actually some league executives who were saying, “How did they throw this much money at this guy?”

Gary Payton:
Well yeah, I was surprised just like Warren said. An older guy 32-years-old and he hasn’t played, he got hurt for almost the last 5 years in a row, he’s been hurt a lot. And he’s not been on the field-

Warren Sapp:
Three back surgeries, three, three back surgeries.

Gary Payton:
Yeah. I said, “Man, that must have been somebody’s friend or somebody done went in there and all the player done said, “Give him something.” But they ought to just let him wait it out. I would have said, “Well who’s going to give it to you? What they going to give you?” And then somebody would have come with an $8 million and I would have said, “Okay, I’ll give you $8.2 million,” as long as they don’t take mine. You know what I’m saying?

Gary Payton:
But they didn’t wait, they jumped the gun real quick, gave him a lot of big deals. And now they’re going to hope that he’ll be on the field. Like Warren said, you don’t know how much they’re going to get because if he fools around and gets hurt in training camp or something, they’re going to be really, really talked about in this year’s NFL. They’re going to be like, “Wow.” I guess they see something that we don’t, and that’s just the way it is. They see something we don’t.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, hope, hope, hope.

Gary Payton:
I wouldn’t give a 32-year-old in football that much money, I couldn’t have given him that.

Warren Sapp:
No way.

Gary Payton:
I would have had him wait it out. He would have to wait it out.

Warren Sapp:
I’ll give you a one year deal, maybe a two year deal, and then it’s going to be some real low incentive base. First of all, the first incentive, I’ll give you $1 million if you do 16 games. You’ve already done it 40% of the time, but you’re almost at the Mendoza Line in baseball around here. You’re failing 70% of the line at your job, that’s not good on the NFL side. You have to win 70% of the time at your job over here to be successful. I don’t know what they’re looking at, and I don’t know what tape they’re looking at. But hey, the one thing my grandma always told me, “People who live in hope die in shit, baby.”

Dawn Lupul:
And when it happens we’re going to say, “We told you so, right here on Unfiltered.” Gary Payton, Warren Sapp, you guys are amazing.

Warren Sapp:
Thank you.

Dawn Lupul:
I loved our time together.

Warren Sapp:
All right.

Dawn Lupul:
You’re the best.

Warren Sapp:
All right. All right, GP, be good.

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