NBA Playoffs Predictions w/ Gary Payton & Warren Sapp’s NFL Mock Draft + Insight

April 22, 2021

Welcome to BetUS Unfiltered Episode 27. In today’s show Gary Payton joins Dawn to preview the NBA Playoffs, separating the pretenders from the contenders and much more! Later on Warren Sapp joins Dawn to talk about the NFL Draft and you don’t want to miss Warren Sapp’s Top 10 NFL Mock Draft!

In today’s show:
0:00​ Gary Payton’s NBA Playoffs Predictions
32:07​ Warren Sapp’s NFL Draft Insight and Mock Draft

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION
Dawn Lupul:
Welcome to Unfiltered, brought to you by BetUS, America’s favorite sports book. You bet, you win, your ass gets paid. It’s as simple as that. Dawn Lupul sitting along my favorite, Gary Payton, nine-time All Star. He’s an NBA Championship winner, and an all-around nice guy. He’s done too much. We’d spend half the show going through your things. Gary, I have to say it’s always nice to be with you. You look great today in your Gucci shirt.

Gary Payton:
Thank you, Dawn. It’s always nice to be with you, too.

Dawn Lupul:
You’re sitting there in your office looking good. I had the chance to see your California home because you did a little tour on Houseguest with Nate Robinson the other day. And I got to tell you, you’re styling. You got very nice taste in home décor.

Gary Payton:
Thank you, Dawn. I appreciate it. When you got a lot of stuff, and my lot of memorabilia, and I’m a big game person. I don’t like the Xbox. I don’t like the Playstations. I like the real, actual games. I got some of the original NBA Jams. People, “I want that game.” I got four of them, so I got the original ones. I got one that’s everybody just said me and Michael Jordan. As you know, that stuff blew up right there. People don’t understand. They describe what I say, but they don’t understand what I’m saying. You know what I’m saying? They just say, “Okay, Gary Payton this because of the rival between us two,” when they don’t really understand it.

Gary Payton:
In my home I got all of that. It’s just fun. You know what I’m saying? You see in the back here, I got all kind of stuff on the wall. I got everything. I just keep it basic and hopefully everybody like it.

Dawn Lupul:
Keep it real. Well, I liked it. I think it looks amazing.

Dawn Lupul:
You mentioned the LeBron stuff, and LeBron/Michael Jordan, and it did blow up because you were on the Scoop B Radio Overtime Show. And you happened to say that LeBron is just an all-around, overall better player than Michael was. But it’s not a slight against either of them. Michael was a great scorer, and LeBron just does a lot of the other stuff. I think that’s what you were getting at.

Gary Payton:
Well, a lot of people don’t understand. If they look at what I’m saying, if we look at the numbers of what LeBron has done with assists, rebounds, and points, that’s an all-around basketball player. And that’s an all-around basketball player who makes his teammates better. People criticize LeBron because at the end of the games, he doesn’t take shots. He throws it to his teammates and then they don’t win games or whatever, whatever. That’s an all-around basketball player who is making his other teammates better. If we take Michael Jordan for example, Michael Jordan won’t do that. He’s a killer. He wants to make all the baskets, he’s going to do all the things that he has to do to make his team win, and he won six championships with it. You know what I’m saying? So I’m trying to tell people to understand, if you go how many rebounds LeBron James has had, how many rebounds, assists that Michael Jordan has had, and LeBron has had, Michael Jordan might be over LeBron right now in points, but LeBron, I think he’s going to catch him, or he’s already caught him, and already going to surpass him.

Gary Payton:
So you guys got to understand, I’m not saying LeBron is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan. Never said that. I just said he’s a better overall basketball player than he is, to me in my opinion. That’s my opinion. When I look at a point guard, I think a point guard and a person like that should make his whole team and teammates better. Michael Jordan didn’t do that. Michael Jordan was in a triangle where he got the basketball. He would pass the ball at times, yes. Did he get more rebounds than LeBron? I don’t think so. No, I don’t think he did that. And I don’t think he got more assists than LeBron. No, I don’t think that, either. And people got to understand that. Listen to what I’m trying to tell them, and say that.

Gary Payton:
I don’t compare basketball players. I don’t say who better or who is good. My overall player ever, to me, is Wilt Chamberlain. So I don’t do all of that. You know what I’m saying? And they can take it the way you want to take it. It doesn’t bother me. I said what I said. I got an opinion to everything I want to get to, but I say my opinion. So if they don’t like it, then that’s just fine with whatever it has to do. But in my opinion, yes, LeBron is a better all-around basketball player. As in a dog, or a person who is a killer, I think Michael Jordan is the better one, on that behalf. You know what I’m saying? It’s a difference.

Gary Payton:
I’m going to see Michael Jordan in three weeks, two weeks. It is what it is, after the Hall of Fame. I don’t think he’ll say anything, but I really don’t care about that. You know what I’m saying? I think he understands what I’m coming from because he’s a basketball player and he knows how I am. I’m going to tell the truth. That’s my opinion and people can take it the way they want to take it, because I really don’t care about that.

Dawn Lupul:
And you fit in to the team you play with, and you fit in the era you play, too. The style that you played is different than the style they play now. The team that you’re with, you play according to your teammates and everything. So I get that. It is impossible to compare players, and I totally get your opinion on that. And I understand why it blew up, too. Because people like that kind of stuff.

Gary Payton:
Yeah, they like that.

Dawn Lupul:
They like that, yeah.

Gary Payton:
You know, Dawn. On this show, you know what I’m saying, when he laughed. Okay, whatever. Who cares? You all blow up on that, he talking about he laughed and disrespected me. No, he didn’t disrespect me. He just said what he wanted to do, man. He laughed at it. It is what it is. I don’t care. You know what I’m saying? It doesn’t bother me that he laughed. So what? I would laugh too if somebody came at me, talking about, “Did he bother me?” I tell them all the time, “No he doesn’t.” He didn’t bother me. You know what I’m saying?

Gary Payton:
It’s our opinion of what we do and what we say. If Michael Jordan said something, which I doubt he will, I wouldn’t care. I don’t care. You know what I’m saying? It is what it is. We play basketball, we’re competitive. I’m not going to bow down to him, he’s not going to bow down to me. So hey, let’s move on with it. People got their opinion. That’s why we got this social media, and then social media takes off like that because they want to do whatever they have to do.

Dawn Lupul:
That’s exactly it. Somebody else who got caught in this trap… And it’s not easy. If you sit down and say somebody throws a question at you, “Who are the top five best players you’ve played against?” And you’ve got to come up with these right off the top of your head. So this happened to Kevin Durant just recently on Million Dollaz Worth of Game Podcast. He left off Russell Westbrook at first, and people were freaking out.

Dawn Lupul:
He started with Kyrie Irving, then he added James Harden, of course. That’s easy, those are recent, right? They’re top of your mind. Steph Curry, no brainer. He went to Klay Thompson after that, and then he paused and he had to think for a while and he added Serge Ibaka. I quite enjoy Serge Ibaka. He played for the Raptors, and he’s got the style. I enjoy his style.

Dawn Lupul:
But then they’re like, “You’re kidding me, right? You left off Westbrook.” And he said right then, “Oh blank blank. I’m tripping. Russ, yeah, I did forget about Russ. Russ would definitely be top five.” So of course people decided to take that that he was taking a bit of a shot at Russell. [inaudible 00:07:39]

Gary Payton:
I lost you, Dawn.

Dawn Lupul:
Sorry. Am I here? Hello?

Gary Payton:
You’re here now.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay. Sorry about that. It’s that Zoom thing. [inaudible 00:07:58] I was saying Russell Westbrook getting left off Kevin Durant’s top five until he got reminded that he left him off, and then he was [inaudible 00:08:11].

Gary Payton:
Well, Dawn, you know what? That happens. If you asked me the same thing, and I forgot Shawn Kemp off the top, they would always say, “You played with him right away. Why wouldn’t you think of him right away?” First of all, my mind is not thinking like that. I’m playing with the two players that are great right now. Kyrie Irving and Harden. So I’m going to mention them automatically.

Gary Payton:
But with me, I’m saying Shawn Kemp because I think I got a better with Shawn Kemp right away. You know what I’m saying? Then if I left of Kobe, they would be like, “Oh, you forgot you played with Kobe.” So everybody’s thinking, “Oh, that’s Kobe.” You know what I’m saying? But we’re not thinking that way. It’s not like that. We’re trying to put our mind to it.

Gary Payton:
You got to understand Durant and Westbrook got into it for a little bit. He’s not thinking that way right now. But then as you remind him, he got to be like, “Oh, yeah, that’s right. I played with him.” But what he did was, right away, he said, “Oh, man. I’m tripping. I got to put him in my top five because that is true. I did play with him.”

Gary Payton:
I tell you, social media is a trip, man. And we got to watch, sometimes, what we say, but don’t worry about it. I tell Durant, “Don’t worry about all of that. It is what it is. You forgot. So what? It is what it is. Once they put it to your attention, you said, ‘Yes. I have to put him in my top five.'” So that’s what it is. Now when he says that, you’re going to say, “Oh, he did that on purpose.” No, he did not do it on purpose. Even if he did do it on purpose, so what? He made up for it and said, “I do have to put it on the top five.” It is what it is.

Gary Payton:
So I’m just saying, I don’t care about that. You know what I’m saying? He knows who he play with. We play with a lot of players, a lot of good basketball players, and you forget some of them. You can’t put them all on there. That’s why I tell people, “Stop saying top fives, top threes, top whatever.” Just say who was the best person you ever played with, and see how many people heed that. It is what it is. I don’t do a top five. I don’t go one through five. If everybody ask me, I say, “Stop it right now. I’m going to tell you the best players I played with in my opinion. That’s what I will tell you. I’m not telling you no top five, because I got more of the players that I did with a top five, and I think they’re all equal. I think they’re all good basketball players.

Gary Payton:
Now if you asked me, “Who was the best player I wanted to be with during the time, and he was your friend?” Then I could name that. And I always will say Shawn Kemp because that’s like my brother. I’m not going to put anybody else down. Detlef Schrempf was great for me. Shaquille O’Neal was great for me. Dwyane Wade, Kobe, Alonzo Mourning, Paul Pierce, I played with a lot of them. So I’m not going to name top five. I played with great basketball players, man. Sam Perkins, I played with a lot of people.

Gary Payton:
So I’m not going to tell people that. And I think Durant should be okay with it. Look, you forgot about him. You put him on there. So what? So be it.

Dawn Lupul:
Exactly. And that’s the problem, when you start naming, is then people hold you to it, right? And they want to make a big deal about it. And it’s kind of crazy. It takes a lot of good players to make good teams. A good team that we talk about quite a bit are the Lakers and what they’re doing. So right now they’re trying to avoid having to go to the play-in, because it’s been tough for injuries with them this season. We’ve talked about them several times. But I don’t think there’s any team that want to face them in the playoffs.

Dawn Lupul:
If the Lakers were to drop down to sixth and all of a sudden, looking at the teams above them, I don’t think anybody wants to play. The Jazz, the Suns, who would want to play the Lakers in the first round, or even in a play-in. I don’t think you’d want to.

Gary Payton:
Dawn, I’m with you on that, because you don’t want to play against that kid LeBron. You see what he has done in the last 10 years. You know what I’m saying? You just can’t predict what he’s going to do. And now he’s getting a lot of rest. He’s getting a lot of rest. You know what I’m saying? An awful lot of rest. And he’s going to come back, and I guaranteeing you he’s going to come back a week before playoffs start, and he’s going to get in game shape. He’s going to start running into it. And they’re going to bring AD back. So they’re going to be a good basketball team, and it’s going to be the team that they won the championship last year with. And it’s just some more guys who have been added, some guys were subtracted, but they got a good basketball team.

Gary Payton:
And I think none of these teams in here wants to play them. I really don’t think so. I think Phoenix is doing a good job, they’ve been playing very well, but now they’re slowing down a little bit. I don’t think none of these number one teams, or these top teams want to play them. And it’s not about home court advantage anymore. We don’t have all them 12, 13, 15,000 fans in there screaming, going crazy. We don’t have that anymore. So you’re only in there 11 people, 13 people almost, and it doesn’t make a difference. And when you got a freight train like LeBron or AD coming at you, and they’re getting in a roll, and they’re starting to make shots, and that team, and they’re getting confidence with their other players, because them players are going to get a lot of confidence when he gets back, because they know they have a leader, they have a guy who’s been in that situation before, and can take teams to championships.

Gary Payton:
And a lot of these teams don’t want to play them in seven games because you’re going to have to deal with them. And they’re going to adjust, and they’re going to have big games, and they’re going to beat you. And these teams don’t want to do that. As you’ve seen Utah and Denver, Denver went to a roll in the bubble last year, and a lot of people didn’t do it. The Clippers got blew up because what Denver did, comes back and beats them from a 3-1 deficit, and beat them in seven games. This happens, and you don’t want to see a team and a player who gets his rest, and knows that he can do it, and face them in the first round. You’re going to go home against a player like that. And I don’t think none of these teams, nobody in the West going to want to see them. And that’s why they’re not really concerned. Even with a play-in. I think the play-in is risky because you only got one game. You know what I’m saying? I think that’s risky. You fool around and lose that game, you won’t even be coming to the playoffs to play a seven game series. And I don’t think the Lakers want to do that.

Gary Payton:
They’re right there on that fifth, right before the sixth one, and they don’t want to play that one, and I don’t think that’s the one they want to do. I think they have to think about it, and I think LeBron and them is going to have to come back in enough time, so that they won’t fall there. They’re not bad with number five, because they don’t care. They’ll be good with number five because one against eight, two against seven, three against six, and four and five. And I think they’ll be okay with that. And they’re right in that cusp where they’ll play that one where they’ll play the two seed and knock them down. I don’t think the Lakers are really, really concerned about that.

Dawn Lupul:
I think they might end up playing the Clippers, which would be entertaining. But who do you think would be the better matchup against the Lakers? Would it be the Suns or the Jazz? What do you think?

Gary Payton:
I think a better matchup would be the Suns. I think they’re more athletic. I think they’re more younger. They got players with Chris Paul running the point guard, these other little players around him, I’m talking about the youth. And they’re playing very well together. I think the Lakers will have a more challenge with that team. I think that one would probably go to a game seven. I think they could get Utah in six or five if they play well. And I think the Lakers can play well, but I think that’s a bad matchup for the Lakers. They might win it, but I think they’ll get beat up so much, and they’ll go to a game seven, and that’ll take a lot out of them this early in the year. I wouldn’t want to see them play them early in the year. It’ll be a great matchup, like you want to see in a Western Conference Final or something like that. That would be a good matchup.

Gary Payton:
But right now in the beginning, two teams that I think could be further in the playoffs need to go and meet each other in the Western Conference Final would be better for me, than to see them in the first round.

Dawn Lupul:
That’s the tough thing, and that’s what not thinking. So with AD and LeBron being down for so long, that the Lakers dropping down the standings, it’s likely to set up a first round matchup that’s going to something that you wish you could’ve seen later.

Dawn Lupul:
And another team that’s coming on… So we’ll touch on because you already mentioned it, the play-in, for people who don’t know, because it’s something new for this year. They decided to try it for fan excitement. Basically you get to the seven, eight, nine, and 10 teams. Seven plays eight. Whoever wins that goes on. Whoever loses that game plays whoever wins the nine and 10. You could finish eighth or seventh and have to play two games to be able to stay in. It creates a little excitement. There’s some teams on the bubble, and I know you’re interested in this.

Dawn Lupul:
In the West, we’ve got Dallas, Memphis, Golden State, and San Antonio. As of today, there’s two games separating those, and that’s seventh, eighth, ninth, and 10th. Golden State is getting hot at the right time, and it might be because of one Gary Payton II, just saying. You got to see him the other day, didn’t you?

Gary Payton:
I did, I did, I did. They’re coming home. They play Miami today. They’re coming home. And I’ll get to see him on the 23rd. The family will go and see him play on the 23rd. That’ll be our first game to go into an arena in the Bay area. Everybody’s opening up for that. We’re trying to get a little tickets to go to that. It’s good. And it is right.

Gary Payton:
Dawn, they’re getting hot at the right time. And I think Steph Curry is having an amazing, amazing month or two. He’s having an amazing one. He’s on a tear of scoring the basketball. I watched him the other day when they were playing against Philadelphia. And it showed me something about basketball. Philadelphia was winning the basketball game, but Golden State had turned the ball over almost 10 times in the first quarter, and stayed in the basketball game. And Curry was struggling. And then all of a sudden, they’re right in the game, and then at halftime, it’s 55-55. And then you let Curry take over. And you let him take over, and he blows them out after that, he has 49. You know what I’m saying?

Gary Payton:
I’m just saying about the east coast teams and how basketball is becoming, man. And during our time, if people turned the ball over like that, we’ll kill them. We’ll be up 20. You know what I’m saying? It’s about jump shooting. And the Sixers kept continuing to shoot jump shots and they couldn’t make them, and they let Golden State get in it. And Golden State has been on a roll for four games now, and they’re 3-1. And they could finish this one off in Miami, and be 4-1, and have a great east coast run against some good basketball teams. And that’s what they need. They’re right there in the prime of the play-in.

Gary Payton:
It’ll be fun to see that, for them to play in. Derek just talked about it over here, Dawn, about them tanking. And just saying forget it. That was in the paper here. “Should the Golden State Warriors tank?” And try to get a pick? And that’s just crazy to me when people think that way. The NBA has now put this thing in, the play-in. Go in there and play in. The team that is in the play-in right now, I think to me, Golden State has a better team, even with all the injuries and stuff that they got, I think the way they’re playing and the superstar that they have, they have the better team. Luka with Dallas and them, that team is not the same. San Antonio, even with DeRozan, they’re not the same team. These teams here, I think Golden State would beat that team. And they can move up if they can keep winning. They can move up. They can get in that sixth slot, and don’t even have to play in the play-in.

Dawn Lupul:
They got a great chance.

Gary Payton:
But we were just talking about the Lakers moving down, you don’t know what happened. The Lakers are two slots away from being in the seventh, in a play-in. So I would think about just trying to win all my games, play the way I can play, play the defense that we’re playing, and do what we can do to stay out of that play in, and get in that sixth slot.

Dawn Lupul:
Those are some huge games coming up, because we have the Lakers playing Dallas. And those are two teams, Dallas is sitting in seventh right now, one game ahead of Memphis, two ahead of Golden State, and of course the Lakers are currently in fifth, but that could change, so a lot of really exciting games coming up. I kind of like the play-in. I don’t know.

Gary Payton:
I like it. It’s just like a tournament, Dawn. It’s just like the NCAA Tournament. You know what I’m saying? Get it exciting. That’s what people like to see. Fans like to see stuff like that. Play in. Play on in and see what happens, man. And then the Cinderella teams. You see how Oregon State did in the NCAA Tournament. Cinderella. Get in, start playing well, beat good teams, beat top teams, and you don’t know what’ll happen. That’s great.

Dawn Lupul:
Get hot at the right time. Philly’s still in front in the East. They had a couple games up on Brooklyn, but that’s changed. Now they’re only… Today’s Wednesday. They have half a game up on Brooklyn now. Are they real contenders do you think, or pretenders?

Gary Payton:
Right now, Dawn, I really don’t see this basketball team being really good. But like I said, I watched them against Golden State. They didn’t look too good. You know what I’m saying? They have a lot of players at a lot of positions. Simmons wasn’t playing. I don’t know what’s going to happen with that. Embiid is playing at an MVP level. But can the other players around him play that way? You know what I’m saying? Can they do it? You know what I’m saying? Can they get a chemistry together? Can Doc make something happen? He’s a great coach. He does a lot of good things. But I just don’t know where that little itch they need, Dawn.

Gary Payton:
They need a little itch. And I don’t know what that itch is to put them over the top. You know what I’m saying? It’s an itch to me. And I can’t figure out what that itch is. Do they need anther big time scorer? Do they need something like another Embiid or Simmons to step his game up? I don’t know what that is. And I keep watching this team. And I keep saying, “Well, Simmons and Embiid, they don’t coexist to me. One of them got to be the better one or whatever. They got to do it like Golden State did. They let Durant be that guy, and then it was Curry, then do whatever they want to.” Is that going to happen? I haven’t seen it. And I think Doc’s going to have to really think about that, because if he don’t, they’ll be out of the playoffs really quickly.

Dawn Lupul:
How about the players calling each other out? Does that work or not work? Because lately it was Jimmy Butler saying that Miami is just soft. Saying, “We’re soft.” He was trying to get Bam Adebayo going, telling him to play bully ball. Does that stuff work, or does it just annoy the other players?

Gary Payton:
It just depends on what kind of players you have, or teammates you have, Dawn. It is what it is. Some of these guys, they know that they’re not playing the right type of basketball. You’re a team that just came out of the NBA Championship. And now you are horrible right now. You know what I mean? You’re under .500. I don’t know what it is. Last year we were calling Jimmy Butler the savior because of what he was doing, how he was talking to these kids. Now this year, you want to say he’s wrong for calling them out to say they’re soft. They are soft. They’re not playing the basketball they played last year to get where they were in the NBA Finals.

Gary Payton:
Yes, if you’re a player like that, and you got a relationship with these players, and they know you’re the leader, why not say what you can say to motivate them? Let them get mad. I don’t care. Get mad. I’m trying to help. We want to win basketball games. We’re trying to get in the playoffs and see what we can do again. If we don’t do this, we’re going home, and that’s going to be a disappointment to us. It’s a disappointment for Miami not to get back to the playoffs after coming off a great year in the bubble, going to the championship, taking the Lakers to six games, and fighting with them, after injuries and all that stuff. And I don’t think Butler is wrong for this. I think that’s why they went and got this guy. I think that’s why Pat Riley lets him do it. I think that’s why Erik Spoels lets him do it, because he knows how to put fire underneath them.

Gary Payton:
Now if he wasn’t doing nothing, he wasn’t playing away, I wouldn’t accept it. I’ll go back at him and say, “Yo, it starts with you. You got to play for us to play that way. Once you start playing that way, then you can tell me the same way.” Now if I’m not coming with you, then I don’t have nothing to say about how you’re saying stuff. But if you’re not playing, you got to talk about yourself, too. Talk about, “I start with myself. I’m playing bad. I’m playing horrible.” Now I got to make a decision on, am I going to be the one who’ll be the leader and step up and do the things that I got to do to show them what I’m talking about.

Gary Payton:
And I think Butler, he’s the guy for it. They got to listen to him. He’s been playing all year. He’s been playing as hard as he can, but they just haven’t been in sync. But I think the younger players should listen to him, Bam, all of them. They should listen to him, and start playing basketball, and then see what happens.

Dawn Lupul:
Just like Steph. Steph absolutely went nuclear in his game, and he brought the whole team up. Because they weren’t doing so well, and now they’ve got a big chance. So it’s exciting. It’s fun to see the superstars.

Dawn Lupul:
I want to touch one more before we wrap it up, I want to go back to Shawn Kemp a little bit, because I found this awesome quote. I’m going to read this to you. This is from SB Nation, from Paul Flannery. This is from a few years ago. Let me know if this describes what you remember. He’s talking about the Sonics. “What the Sonics had more than any of the other teams of their era was personality. The players fought with each other. They argued with their coach, who was just as crazy as they were. The general manager fought with the owner. If they existed today, they would own the basketball internet and be worth the price of League Pass all by themselves. They were of a time and place, and when it was over, they simply faded away.”

Dawn Lupul:
Is that what you remember? Was it a little bit crazy of a team?

Gary Payton:
Dawn, you know what? I agree with that quote so much, because I think we would have been the hottest basketball team in the NBA if we would have had the social media that we have right now. I think the things that we did, and the things that we were going through, people would have put that on TV every day. The way that I was cussing at George, the way I was cussing at a lot of my teammates, and they going back at us. The way we were doing things outside of basketball and everything, we would have been one of the hottest things that was going on right now with a team. You wouldn’t even thought about it.

Gary Payton:
What Kyrie Irving is doing right now, it would have been little, for what I was doing during that time. Little stuff. They would have been like, “Gary Payton is crazy.” You know what I’m saying? And that would have tipped the whole thing up. And it would have been that way. The only thing that I didn’t do that Kyrie is doing is sit out games. You know what I’m saying? But other than that, I smoke about a lot of stuff. I didn’t do it in the media, as in writers and that stuff. And I probably wouldn’t have did it by going in Instagram and typing it and stuff. But they would have thought I was crazy, because they would have been reporting about things that I’d have been doing, and that’s just the way I got by. I got by that way.

Gary Payton:
So yes, I agree with that quote a lot. We were crazy. We cussed each other out, a lot of us did. We did a lot of things. You know what I’m saying? It was like, “We cuss you out, go to practice, beat you up.” Next thing you know, we out together drinking, having a good time, and eating and stuff, and going out with George, having beers with him. Cuss him out, he cuss us out. And we go back, and we come on the floor, and we teammates, and we like brothers. So I think that’s a great quote. I think that was us. It was us.

Dawn Lupul:
Who’s knocking on the door?

Gary Payton:
That’s Warren.

Dawn Lupul:
Is there Warren Sapp coming in the house? Warren? We got a whole NFL segment we’re going to get to.

Warren Sapp:
At 3:30, the host has stopped it.

Dawn Lupul:
You’re coming. Just hold on, just hold on.

Warren Sapp:
The host has stopped.

Dawn Lupul:
Gary, there’s a lot coming up in the next couple of weeks, obviously. A lot of basketball. What we’ll end on here, just a quick thing. These were the odds a couple hours ago on BetUS for the NBA Championship. Who would you be buying today? You got Brooklyn at +200, Lakers at +325, Clippers at 500. The bottom 50, the Jazz at 750, and 76ers 1200. That’s to win the championship. Who do you like out of that group?

Gary Payton:
I like the Lakers, I really do. Dawn, I like the Lakers because I think that they’re playing possum right now. They’re really, really playing possum. I think AD has been out so long, and I think he’s ready. Basically, I know he’s ready. I think he’s ready to play. I think LeBron has did it because he wants to get ready to be fueled up to make a run for this.

Gary Payton:
I don’t know about the Brooklyn team. That’s why I’m saying they’re the number one, and then it’s Lakers right there right behind them. But you got to think about Aldridge retires. We take one of the guys they went and got. He retires and now that leads. I think Blake Griffin is the only one who can stand there. Now you don’t know how long Harden’s going to be out. They say he’s out for a long period of time. Kyrie is playing by himself. Durant gets hurt. That was my main concern about that basketball team. Were they going to stay together and not get hurt? And it has happened. So my favorite right now, I think the Lakers are the favorite. I would bet on them.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay. There’s some value there. And you can go to BetUS to find those numbers, and they change all the time, so make sure you check them out. Gary Payton, thank you so much. That was great. I enjoyed our discussion about LeBron and Michael, and just a little bit of house cleaning there from you.

Gary Payton:
Yeah, Dawn, we out there. We got to clean it up on here, on BetUS. We got to clean it up because they going to make it [crosstalk 00:31:39]. We clean it up, they’ll know it now. Forget it. Let them know it, but you know I don’t care. I’m going to say what I’m going to say. You bet, you win, you get your ass paid.

Dawn Lupul:
You get your ass paid at BetUS, America’s favorite sportsbook. Gary Payton, you’re a gem, and we will see you again real soon.

Gary Payton:
See you, Dawn. Appreciate you.

Dawn Lupul:
And here he is, Warren Sapp. He’s my hall of famer. He is a seven-time Pro Bowler. I keep wanting to give you nine Pro Bowls. I feel like you should have had nine. But I won’t do that. Warren, we have a lot coming up in the next little while, and I am glad to see you. You’ve been out on the water. I can tell. You’ve been fishing. You look happy.

Warren Sapp:
Listen, I needed some salt on my skin, and it was time. It was time to go out and let the wind blow in my hair and let the salt water be on me and go catch me some fish. And I got to tell you something. I got a new collaboration with some friends of mine, they’re called Sharkbanz, and you actually put a leader on, where now when you’re catching the big fish, the shark doesn’t come up and the tax man does not come around, baby. How about that? Tax man is excluded from the party.

Dawn Lupul:
That’s always a good thing, think.

Warren Sapp:
Definitely is. The tax man is the shark. The shark comes up and bites your fish. That’s why it’s called Sharkbanz.

Dawn Lupul:
I like it. I like it. Well shout out to the sharks. We like it.

Dawn Lupul:
Obviously I get you for a whole half hour here because it is draft season. And everybody’s going crazy. The draft is such a crap shoot. Actually, you know what? That’s how we’ll start this conversation. I want to go back to your draft and talk about that a little bit. Of course we all know that you ended up going 12th. Probably would have been earlier, but it all worked out in the end, right? You ended up where you ended up, and it wasn’t such a bad thing.

Warren Sapp:
So there’s no reason to go back 26 years right now.

Dawn Lupul:
That true but…

Warren Sapp:
You know the end result.

Dawn Lupul:
The end result was yeah…

Warren Sapp:
You don’t want to go there.

Dawn Lupul:
I went back, actually. Yeah.

Warren Sapp:
Don’t go there.

Dawn Lupul:
I was looking at the Hall of Famers that came out of that. And of course you and Derrick Brooks, and that trade was made by Tampa, trading with Philly, and then there was a second trade, and then they got Brooks, and you both went into the Hall of Fame.

Warren Sapp:
No, only one. Only one trade, and they gave up two picks.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, and then circled back and got the first round. It was a very productive day for…

Warren Sapp:
One trade, two picks.

Dawn Lupul:
Yes. One trade, two picks.

Warren Sapp:
You said two trades.

Dawn Lupul:
Two Hall of Famers.

Warren Sapp:
You said two trades. It wasn’t two trades.

Dawn Lupul:
Well, it was kind of a circuitous route, if I have the math right.

Warren Sapp:
What does that mean?

Dawn Lupul:
It went in a circle, if I have the math right, but I probably don’t.

Warren Sapp:
We had the seventh pick, the had the 12th.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, you switched.

Warren Sapp:
They said, “We’ll give you the 12th and the 28th for the seventh pick.” And the Bucs said, “Yes.” One trade, two picks.

Dawn Lupul:
And two Hall of Famers.

Warren Sapp:
That doesn’t always work out that way, but it did happen.

Dawn Lupul:
It’s not always that easy?

Warren Sapp:
No, no, no.

Dawn Lupul:
Well, let’s get into this whole discussion, then, about drafting versus free agency. Obviously, it’s not just that simple to go build a team by free agency. It can cost you a little bit more. Coaches like to develop their own players. But for some teams, is that really a viable thing? Because drafts can be a little bit like throwing a dart sometimes.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, that’s what we’re about to watch this year. Throw the dart or get you a gumball and reach in there, and figure out what name comes out and go with it, because there ain’t every day you can pick out two Hall of Famers. There’s more undrafted players in the Hall of Fame than number one picks.

Dawn Lupul:
Right. That’s something. That’s something. Why is it so hard to evaluate young talent, then? It’s obviously a little tough.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, because in college [inaudible 00:35:42].

Dawn Lupul:
Sorry, Warren, I lost your audio there.

Warren Sapp:
Working for his job. When you talk about going against a man and taking turkey off his table, and you’re just a 22, 23-year-old dude who’s been pampered his whole life, the rubber’s about to hit the road, and fast.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, we lost a little of your audio there.

Warren Sapp:
I bet.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, it’s one of those things. I had some stats and it completely backs up what you’re saying. This was done by ESPN. And it went from the drafts 2000 to 2016, because it gives a chance for the players to be signed again by their teams. Of the first round picks between those years, there were 232 of the 540 were signed to a second contract with their original teams. Offensive tackles was one of the most signed, guards, centers, linebacker, too. But it was wide receivers, quarterbacks, defensive tackles, and cornerbacks that didn’t usually re-sign with the team. So what they thought was gold ended up not being so much.

Warren Sapp:
Those are the hardest positions to be able to judge someone’s longevity and success at, because they’re the most demanding positions on the football field. When you talk about quarterback, left tackle, a pass rusher, and a wide receiver, and the guy that’s covering the wide out. I mean, you can name them all off. We got Megatron coming in, Charles Woodson, Jonathan Ogden, the Larry Allens, those are monsters at those positions, but to find one, it’s really a crap shoot. Let’s just remember the greatest of all time, without any question was the 199th pick in the draft, Thomas Brady.

Dawn Lupul:
It’s always amazing. Does that spur a guy on a little bit more, or is it just a nice story to tell the kids, “Just because you weren’t picked doesn’t mean you won’t go on and be…”

Warren Sapp:
Oh, no. Jesse Armstead, my mentor at the University of Miami was drafted at 208th. You know the reason I know that? He shows up at the Pro Bowl, and he has 208 on the tongue of his shoe. Trust me, it’s motivation. And trust me, I looked at the 11 guys that went before me in the ’95 Draft and I say, “Not one of them will beat me to the Hall. Not one of them will be considered better than me.” So I’ll work on it.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, exactly. I was looking at a few of them, just to try to remember who they were and where they came from.

Warren Sapp:
Ki-Jana Carter, Tony Boselli, number three would be Steve McNair, God bless his soul.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, God bless his soul. Michael Westbrook.

Warren Sapp:
Westbrook. Number five is Kerry Collins. Number six is Kevin Carter with 100 sacks. Number seven…

Dawn Lupul:
You know that one.

Warren Sapp:
Galloway?

Dawn Lupul:
You know that’s the one that Philly took.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, Mike Mamula.

Dawn Lupul:
Mike Mamula, you know that one.

Warren Sapp:
Then it’s Galloway at eight, right?

Dawn Lupul:
Yep.

Warren Sapp:
Who’s nine?

Dawn Lupul:
JJ Stokes.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, the Stoke Man. That’s right. 49er, the Stoke Man. Then 11 is Derrick Alexander, and then me.

Dawn Lupul:
Number 10 you forgot. The poor guy got booed because the Jets…

Warren Sapp:
Oh, Brady, Brady, my bad.

Dawn Lupul:
Brady. The Jets fans wanted him to take you, and they took poor Kyle Brady at tight end and get booed.

Warren Sapp:
Hey, is wasn’t my fault.

Dawn Lupul:
You’re just sitting there going, “It’s going to happen eventually.”

Warren Sapp:
I was like, “You know what? That’s just wrong for that man to be drafted right here, they to boo that man like that. That man didn’t come here for that. That man has nothing to do with being good enough player to be drafted in the top 10, allegedly.”

Dawn Lupul:
As soon as you get drafted, though, let’s go back to your playing days. You’re drafted, you go to your first… You’re going to practice and everything. All that’s gone, right? That doesn’t matter any more does it, when you show up the first day?

Warren Sapp:
Does what matter?

Dawn Lupul:
Where you got picked, or if you got picked. Does that matter? Do they look at you and say, “Okay, you’re a 12, you’re a three.”

Warren Sapp:
Oh, the vets? Oh, hell yeah. No doubt about it. That’s all we do is play that game. “Oh, you fell to us to number 12?” I’m like, “Fell? I look around this, ain’t like you all winning too many games, that’s why you all picking in the top 10 every year. Don’t worry about where I was picked. Let’s go out here and see if we can win some games.” And that didn’t sit over too well. I got taped up a lot.

Dawn Lupul:
Did that spur you on even more and say, “Going to show you.”

Warren Sapp:
No, no, no, no, no. I was at a place that had 11 straight double digit loss seasons when I got there. We had some work to do, and fighting each other wasn’t going to help us. Me, Brooks, Lynch, we found a couple other brothers, and then Dungy came in, and he built a structure and gave us purpose and off we went.

Dawn Lupul:
Out of your draft, obviously you were a Hall of Famer at number 12, defensive tackle. Ty Law ended up going to the Hall. He was 23rd pick, a cornerback. Derrick Brooks.

Warren Sapp:
Curtis Martin.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, Curtis Martin, picked 74th. And there’s one more, and he was picked 196th, and he was…

Warren Sapp:
Dawkins?

Dawn Lupul:
By Denver. No, a running back. Terrell Davis.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, Terrell Davis, yeah.

Dawn Lupul:
Terrell Davis. 196th in the 6th round.

Warren Sapp:
Did he? Yeah, but he’s the 55th all time leading rusher, so it’s kind of one of those shaky Hall of Famers that you look at like it’s a great story, but that’s not a Hall of Famer.

Dawn Lupul:
So we’re talking about free agency versus the draft, how hard it is to evaluate. It’s apparently not a very strong draft this year for the defensive positions especially. Little smelly?

Warren Sapp:
We call it stanky.

Dawn Lupul:
Stanky?

Warren Sapp:
Stanky.

Dawn Lupul:
Does that happen a lot? You just get a year where all of a sudden there’s no wide receivers or there’s no defense?

Warren Sapp:
There’ll be some years where they come out and they say it’s a weak running back class, it’s a weak linebacker class, a weak pass rushing class. But this one right here was just an overall weak across the defensive front. Other than the two kids out of Washington, stab and grab. I looked at a mock draft because you all asked me for the top 10. And I’m like, “No D-tackle? No rushing end? Are you kidding me? This game is a quarterback-driven league. If you can rush the passer, son, they will find you.”

Dawn Lupul:
Yes. And obviously the offensive linemen very, very important, too.

Warren Sapp:
Very.

Dawn Lupul:
Very important, because there’s quarterback killers out there.

Warren Sapp:
You better know it.

Dawn Lupul:
You look back at Joe Burrow’s season last year. Obviously a very talented young man. But when there is maybe not the strongest offensive linemen in front of him, is that what happens when good quarterbacks go to bad teams, because the bad teams are picking first? There’s a real danger that the support system’s not going to be there for them.

Warren Sapp:
Well, let’s just remember when the Houston Texans came into existence and a certain quarterback, David Carr’s brother went down there, and what did they sack him, 82 times in a 16 game season? Let’s see what Mike Brown does. Mike Brown has the fifth pick in the draft this year? Let’s see if he gets crazy and go after… Because you know Joe Burrow wants his wide receiver. They’re talking about a receiver going before the Heisman Trophy, two of them going before the Heisman Trophy winner. They got to be talent. Or they fit that measurement scale or the eye test, or the all airport team, or whatever the hell the scouting department thinks. But you better protect Joe Burrow. That is priority number one. That kid can flat foot play this game. But if his ass is on the sideline, you can’t make the team in the tub, and you damn sure can’t win a championship with your number one pick watching the game.

Dawn Lupul:
No. That’s exactly the thing. It’s so team related. Everybody has their top 10, top 20, top whatever draft picks. But as an individual team, you’re looking for somebody to fit your needs, and to fit your scheme, too. That’s always more important than… So that’s the question that I’m asking, going to posit this to you. Do you take the best rated player at the position, or do you think you take the player that’s going to fit your system, regardless of where the scouts are ranking them?

Warren Sapp:
You know what? I hate that most needed. It all depends on your football team, and who is picking the groceries. That’s the biggest thing Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones fell out about. And Bill Parcells said this, famously, “If they’re going to ask me to make the dinner, then they might as well let me pick the damn groceries.” There’s no other way to make a meal, is to look at your personnel, look at your football team, because it’s the coaches that mostly when they go with those interactions in those pro days. That’s who really gets with the kid. And then the scouting department go through all the other stuff, and the personnel, and the lying agent, and the lying uncle, and all the different things that… Everybody’s the kid’s number one fan. They’re all going to tell you about what he does great. I want to hear about what he doesn’t do well. I want to hear about his weaknesses. I want to hear about how he does with free time. Because the NFL, no one’s checking on your ass when you walk out of that building, and you got a long time before you show back up to the job, so let’s see.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, and there’s what the scouts are saying, because they get attached to players. There’s what the agents are saying, and then there’s maybe…

Warren Sapp:
No, no, no. There’s no common ground anywhere. You got to weed through the lies and deceit, get yourself and look at the player and say, “Does this player fit my system? And can I get him to go out and do some special things?” The only one I look at in this draft, and I point to and I say, “Right away, right now” is Pitts. Yes.

Dawn Lupul:
Yes. There might be some movement. We’ll do a little mock draft in a few minutes here. So this year presents an even bigger challenge, because obviously with the travel and the access to the players, it was a little bit different than a normal year. Is skipping the combines, the pro days, the Rams were looking more at tape this year, as opposed to actually going to see players in person. What do you think in your personal estimation? You went through the combine, you went through everything. The tape doesn’t lie. I know you say that all the time. Is it more valuable to look at the tape, or should you go see the guy run around pylons in person?

Warren Sapp:
I think so. Because when you’re talking about someone for their pro day, that’s the first big stage that was meant for them. The stage at the National Championship Game is a team thing. Everything that you’ve ever been in life, it’s about a team thing. Your pro day is your chance to take your Momma off that dirt road and let her watch her fish swim. That was my whole thought process when I woke up that morning. It was like, “It’s time to retire Mom. There ain’t nothing getting in my way. I’m going over here, I’m going to get my bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich on my way, drink my orange juice, and we going to work.” You want that challenge.

Warren Sapp:
I remember Tom Coughlin coming up to me, him and Michael Hughes, which had the second pick in the draft that year in Jacksonville. I’m like, “I could be close to home, man.” I was never thinking about Tampa. I was like, “I could be close to home. Jacksonville is 90 minutes from the crib.” You know what I’m saying? Man, that man looked at me as I did 225 17 times. He was like, “Well, you know Brenden Stai did 225 43 times.” I’m like, “The guard from Nebraska?” He’s like, “Yeah.” I’m like, “I think I played him in the last game I played. Put the tape on and tell me which player you want, boss.” And I walked away from him. So it’s always somebody that has their own mental breakup of what you should be. But that pro day, you got to go see them perform. If his eyes don’t light up, then he don’t like football. And if he don’t like football, giving him millions of dollars and trying to force-feed him football ain’t going to last too long.

Dawn Lupul:
And guys look different on tape than they do in person, too. [crosstalk 00:47:46]

Warren Sapp:
Hey, man…

Dawn Lupul:
Smaller, bigger.

Warren Sapp:
The eye in the sky is about his stance, alignment, and assignment. When you walk up to him on pro day, we’re not asking him to go up against a double team. We’re not asking him to go up against a slip block. We’re asking him to do some things that he might not be comfortable with. And now all of a sudden you see somebody that’s on tape looking real good, looking like a fish out of water just going around cones, and the ability to follow instructions, and different things that you have to do. We’re talking about a grown man’s league where [inaudible 00:48:19].

Dawn Lupul:
Your audio’s touched out on us again. It’ll come back. That’s one thing I know about your audio, is it always comes back. And as long as you can hear me, because that segues really well into seeing a young player in person, as opposed to watching tape. Because you had the opportunity to work with one of the potential first round picks this year, young Christian Barmore from Alabama. 6 foot 5, 310 pounds. You were, I guess, less than impressed, and it was an inability to follow directions, I think is what you said.

Warren Sapp:
It was the inability to replicate what we were trying to do. I have a drill. Maybe it was too advanced of a class for a young man like that, because if I’m looking at him, as big as he is, I’m going to put him at a five-take in a 3-4 system. I’m not going to put him under tackle and ask him to go rush and hit it and get it up the field. That’s not him. He has strengths in other people’s system, but what the people were asking me to do was hit it and get it. Oh no, he got no hit and get, no get up and go, he done got up and went.

Dawn Lupul:
That was it.

Warren Sapp:
No, but to be honest, I looked at the young man and I was like, “Holy…” I’m talking about arms long, long man, nice, broad build. Fits the all airport team. Not for me. Put him at a five-technique, and you play that 3-4 stiff as a rock, he can be that for you. No doubt about it. I have immense confidence he can do that. But you don’t take five-techniques that don’t rush the passer in the first round, Dawn.

Dawn Lupul:
So again, if the scheme is right, the defensive scheme, then obviously…

Warren Sapp:
Third round, as a project, there you go. Not a first round pick. First round pick is a plug and play player. You got to be able to go tomorrow.

Dawn Lupul:
Hopefully.

Warren Sapp:
No, no, no, no, no. Not many they draft in the first round that don’t play, unless he’s a quarterback and they’re sitting him, like Pat Mahomes, like Steve McNair, like some of the other guys that they allowed to sit and learn the game by watching this other guy get pummeled, and then come out and become stars or really good players. That’s normally how that goes. But when you talk about going the first 32 out the door, we got a spot for your ass, because the check ain’t going to change, and that’s a good check.

Dawn Lupul:
Exactly. That brings us into this year’s. We’ll take a look at the top 10. Jacksonville’s picking first. I don’t think there’s any question as to who the first two teams pick. Obviously it’s quarterbacks. They need quarterbacks. Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence.

Warren Sapp:
Trevor Lawrence will be Jacksonville. Duval, one time.

Dawn Lupul:
Duval.

Warren Sapp:
South Georgia.

Dawn Lupul:
Do you like what you’re seeing with him?

Warren Sapp:
No. I still go back to the championship game. It was 2nd and 9, and they ran quarterback lead. If you’re the number one pick in the draft, got to see you drop back and throw this thing. I just didn’t see it. When he got the competition on his level, they ran him more than they dropped back and passed him. And if you’re telling me the number one pick in the draft is going to run quarterback draw? Not in this league. Not in the National Football League. Not in the one these three dogs played in right here. Not Tim Modo, the Indestructible One, Bo Jackson, and myself. Not in our league. The quarterback don’t run quarterback draw 2nd and 9. That don’t happen. You got to go back and let me see what you got, baby. Read that thing.

Dawn Lupul:
How much did your eyes light up when you looked across the line and you saw a rook standing there at quarterback?

Warren Sapp:
It wasn’t about the rookie for me. I always had one thing in my mind, and I try to echo this to the young players. Don’t go to Disney World and don’t expect Mickey Mouse to come out. Play to a level. Everybody was gray matter to me. It was Larry Allen, it was Randall McDaniel. That was the two people that I always envisioned you were. And if you couldn’t play up to that level, I’m sorry. I had to high of expectations of you this Sunday.

Dawn Lupul:
I like it. The Jets. Zach Wilson? Kind of seems to be…

Warren Sapp:
Hey, listen, let’s pray for the BYU. Let’s pray. Let’s hope he take some of them magic underwear with him, and hopefully it’ll protect him in New York.

Dawn Lupul:
They chased Sam right out of there.

Warren Sapp:
Out of there fast.

Dawn Lupul:
Right out of there. San Francisco 49ers, it’s a lot, they’re talking Mac Jones because again, a player they figure will fit their system.

Warren Sapp:
No. I can’t see John Lynch doing that. A player that fit they system would be Lance, the quarterback from North Dakota State.

Dawn Lupul:
Trey Lance.

Warren Sapp:
Trey Lance, Trey Lance. Talk about being able to move and do that system that they talking about, that’s the mobile quarterback. Am I missing something here? Mac Jones play with Superman. It’s easy to drop the ball off, play behind an offensive line that doesn’t allow you to be touched. Are you kidding me? Oh my god. Boy. You know what? Maybe they’re talking up Mac Jones, and then the Jets will take him, and then they’re in a better position with Zach Wilson. There’s no way. No way. That’s where you lose me in these mock drafts. No. No.

Dawn Lupul:
That’d be interesting because there’s a lot of speculation.

Warren Sapp:
All right, here we go. The guy that threw the passes to the Heisman Trophy winning wide receiver, who’s going to be the third receiver taken in the draft is now the third best quarterback in the draft?

Dawn Lupul:
When you put it that way.

Warren Sapp:
That’s what it is, baby. That’s just the facts I just spit out. Now he’s going past the two receivers that are better than his Heisman Trophy receiver, and a couple quarter… And the tight end that’s unguardable. I love it. I love it. Mac Jones, show me that game with that throw that you say, “That’s an NFL arm for Mac Jones.” Show me that throw. Just one. Just one. Because I can show you Tua’s in the championship game when he came in and the kid knocked down and he held his safety and turned and drilled that thing to win the game. That’s an NFL throw. The ability to hold that safety and let that ball go, I didn’t see that from Mac Jones. I saw Mac Jones dump it off to Superman, and Superman take off up the field. [crosstalk 00:55:05]

Dawn Lupul:
And do his thing. All right. Again, we’re having audio. It’s one of those Zoom days today with our audio. We have obviously Kyle Pitts is going to go high up. Some people are talking about Atlanta trading their pick and maybe Miami moving up to try to get Kyle Pitts, but we’ll see if that happens. Cincinnati, they got to take Penei Sewell, don’t they?

Warren Sapp:
They got to take… We just talked about it.

Dawn Lupul:
Pick Sewell.

Warren Sapp:
Let’s protect him.

Dawn Lupul:
Take him. Protect the kid.

Warren Sapp:
Let’s protect. You have to. No, let’s protect the franchise, because that’s what he is. Protect the franchise.

Dawn Lupul:
I found it here, because this is the draft. This is what I read, so tell me if this is wrong. This is your draft. The Philadelphia Eagles traded their first round draft pick, 12th overall, and two second round selections to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Warren Sapp:
Neither Derrick Brooks or me was drafted in the second round. What are we talking about? [crosstalk 00:56:03] I don’t know where they went after the 12th pick, baby. 12th and 28th, I was like, “Me and Brooks, that’s all I need. I don’t know what’s after that. I don’t know who we got, what from Philly.” We robbed a lot from Philly. Philly gave up a lot.

Dawn Lupul:
Because they traded two second round picks to get back in the first round. That’s when they took Brooks. All I know is that was an unbelievable… I’ll be interested to see who comes up with the big trades. That was Rich McKay that did that. And who will be able to maneuver their team into the spot they need this year? That’ll be fun. No? Not going to happen?

Warren Sapp:
Listen, if you ain’t going up to get Pitts, then what are you going up to get? Everything else is a guess game on this thing, other than the top… I’ll go with Zach Wilson being an okay prospect at quarterback right off the top. But after that, come on. Unless you’re talking about an offensive tackle, and Sewell, now that’s solid right there. That’s solid and ready to go. But other than that, it’s what do you like? Halle Berry or Jennifer Lopez? Do you like it thick, or you like it nice and petite?

Dawn Lupul:
Well it’s that X-factor, too, we talked about last week. When they looked in your eyes at your combine, what did they see? There had to be that fire there. And somehow you went back in the draft. If they had known.

Warren Sapp:
No, I had an X-factor in mind that had nothing to do with… Well, there was fire, but it was a different kind of fire.

Dawn Lupul:
Yes. But it worked out, right?

Warren Sapp:
Oh, yeah. Listen Dawn, I always tell people I’ve awakened from the nightmare with a gold jacket, a world championship, two all-decade teams, and a bunch of other shit that I just don’t even think about.

Dawn Lupul:
A lot of good memories. A lot of good memories.

Warren Sapp:
A lot of great memories. I forget more than I can remember. But we’ll be back in two years for our 20th year anniversary. No, next year. Next year’s our 20th, so oh, it’s going to be fun.

Dawn Lupul:
And the best part of it was a momma that didn’t have to work anymore. That was the best memory.

Warren Sapp:
Feed her fish every day. “Boy, how many times I got to feed these fish?” “When you wake up in the morning, Ma, and then give them a little afternoon snack. How about that? Twice a day.”

Dawn Lupul:
I love that. And then Sapp’s out fishing. Thank you so much, Warren. We’ve got one more week before the draft happens. I’m sure there’ll be more stories happening we’ll [crosstalk 00:58:30].

Warren Sapp:
We’re going to talk about the mock draft, are the Carolina Panthers going to try to relive the Cam Newton thing with Fields? That ought to be fun, right? If he falls in they lap, and they… Oh my god. That ought to be fun, right? So would it be Fields and Bridgewater in Carolina fighting for a job?

Dawn Lupul:
But they got rid of Bridgewater.

Warren Sapp:
Where Teddy at now?

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, they got Sam Darnold there.

Warren Sapp:
Oh, Sam Darnold?

Dawn Lupul:
I know. So it’s kind of weird. It was almost like they’re saying that they’re not going to draft a quarterback. But that may very well happen, and they would be crazy not to do that. And then they could have a little competition.

Warren Sapp:
That’s the mock I got. I got Fields going to Carolina going to relive the Cam Newton, a smaller version. Let’s go.

Dawn Lupul:
Oh, okay. Somebody’s saying that they still have Bridgewater.

Warren Sapp:
I told you Bridgewater’s still there. I told you. It was him and Sam that was going to fight for the job. Now they might be packaging up Sam…

Dawn Lupul:
Well now they can pack, yeah.

Warren Sapp:
Pack Sam up and trade him with something. Somebody might want him, like Denver. Because Lance won’t be there for Denver at nine.

Dawn Lupul:
And are they going to take somebody, or are they still confident in Drew Lock?

Warren Sapp:
They’re going to have to do something.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, that wasn’t working out so well.

Warren Sapp:
No, no, no, no, no.

Dawn Lupul:
All right. There’s so much that I have to go do my research.

Warren Sapp:
Drew Lock or a top 10 pick, Dawn? Last question to you. Okay, that’s my girl. That’s my girl. I thought it ain’t warmed up that much in Canada yet. I didn’t think you been outside. I see you almost got a tan over there this week. I like it.

Dawn Lupul:
I’m going to keep watching you on Instagram, and if you guys are watching, it’s @WarrenSapp because he is fishing, he’s doing scuba. Sapp not fishing. Sapp sometimes watching soccer. Sapp doing a lot of things.

Warren Sapp:
The soccer season ended bad for us. We lost in the semifinals.

Dawn Lupul:
I know. I saw that.

Warren Sapp:
That hurt my heart. The left my baby by herself, Dawn.

Dawn Lupul:
Well, it’s very unfortunate. But it was a good run while it lasted.

Warren Sapp:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got fall. One more time.

Dawn Lupul:
You got fall coming. [crosstalk 01:00:29]

Warren Sapp:
COVID just keep on giving.

Dawn Lupul:
Oh, get out. Get out.

Warren Sapp:
No, no, no. COVID gives me more of my daughter. I get one more season because it was so interrupted. They gave her one more. We get a fall.

Dawn Lupul:
Well, we’ll take that. Something good came out this.

Warren Sapp:
Yes, that’s what I said. Something good came out of COVID.

Dawn Lupul:
Something good came out of it. Something good always comes out of this show because it is Unfiltered. It’s brought to you by BetUS, America’s favorite sportsbook, where you bet, you win, your ass gets paid. Warren Sapp, he’s here every week. I’m here, too, but we come for Warren’s stories. We’ll see you next week. Be good.

Warren Sapp:
Yes.

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