NFL New Weed Rules, NBA Picks and All-Time Rosters w/ Gary Payton & Brian Jones

April 29, 2021

Join the BetUS Unfiltered Crew in today’s show as they talk about the new NFL weed rules, their NFL and NBA All-Time rosters, the Jake Paul vs. Floyd Mayweather fight and much! Today we are joined by Kenyon Rasheed, Brian Jones, Gary Payton and Dawn Lupul.

BetUS Unfiltered Episode 28:
0:00​ Real Boxing or Social Media Circus?
11:42​ New NFL Weed Rules
20:55​ NFL Draft Talk and NBA Comparison
42:11​ Pick A Side
50:23​ All Stars’ All Time Rosters

Audio Podcast

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION
Dawn Lupul:
Welcome to Unfiltered, brought to you by BetUS, America’s favorite sportsbook. You bet, you win, your ass gets paid.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Your ass gets paid.

Gary Payton:
Your ass gets paid.

Dawn Lupul:
I love when I get a little bit of help on the show. Make sure you like-

Brian Jones:
You got backup singers.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, I got backup singers. Before we tell you who’s here, because we’ve got a full house today, make sure you like, subscribe, and hit the bell button so you don’t miss any of our shows. Coming up, we’ve got tons of stuff. We’re going to talk about a lot of cool stuff today. And you can sign up at Bet US today to get 125% signup bonus. You get more if you play in crypto. Here’s a guy that probably plays in crypto, Mr. Gary Payton is in the house. He’s our nine-time All Star. He’s a championship winner. He’s of course a Hall of Famer, class of 2013, and Defensive Player of the Year, and he’s a cool guy. He’s a cool guy. He’s got a lot to share with us today, right Gary?

Gary Payton:
Wait, wait, Dawn. And let me introduce the next one.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay, you go.

Gary Payton:
And our next [inaudible 00:01:08], let’s go.

Kenyon Rasheed:
You see how we get treated?

Dawn Lupul:
I know that’s-

Kenyon Rasheed:
You see how we get treated.

Brian Jones:
Kenyon, we ain’t even backup singers anymore. He quickly reduced us to just “those extras over there.”

Gary Payton:
Hey, look, look. (singing).

Kenyon Rasheed:
Say we the Pips.

Dawn Lupul:
I’m Gladys, Gary’s Knight, and you guys are The Pips. Mr. Kenyon Rasheed. You guys need no introduction. You’ve been on the show before. Kenyon Rasheed, a fullback, played in the New York, which is actually the New Jersey area. I don’t know. It’s just how it is.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Played for both New York teams, because we’s hard like that.

Dawn Lupul:
Jets and Giants. Yes.

Kenyon Rasheed:
That what it is. We hard over in that New York side.

Dawn Lupul:
And survived it.

Gary Payton:
I’m going to throw up in my mouth.

Kenyon Rasheed:
We’re hard over there.

Brian Jones:
Whoa. Whoa.

Kenyon Rasheed:
We’re hard.

Dawn Lupul:
This show is tanking quickly. And Brian Jones, BJ, is here. Of course, he was on the defensive side of the ball, Mr. Linebacker, drafted by the Raiders, went to the Colts and Saints and did a lot of stuff. You’re a Texas product.

Brian Jones:
From Texas, went to UCLA prior to that. Yeah, I get around. I’m like Tupac. I get around. Yeah.

Dawn Lupul:
We’ll write that on the bathroom stall.

Gary Payton:
[crosstalk 00:02:17]

Brian Jones:
Hey, hey. Hey, Kenyon, come on dog. Come on, really?

Dawn Lupul:
Kenyon’s not approving.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Every time I got to look at them damn helmets in the background.

Brian Jones:
I know Oklahoma is my long last daddy, but come on. I’m your daddy.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Every time I got to see that Longhorn in the background, it just about make me want to throw up, man.

Brian Jones:
Everybody throwing up on the show today, Dawn.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Turn that helmet around while we do the show, please.

Dawn Lupul:
We’ve got to stop throwing up on this show. It’s way to early for that.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Turn that helmet around while we doing this show, man. That’s disrespectful.

Dawn Lupul:
Now, make sure you like and subscribe. Otherwise, you’re going to miss all this, and I tell you what, it’s going to be crazy today. We’re going to talk a little boxing. We’re going to talk a little bit about the draft. We’re going to talk a whole lot of basketball and whatever else happens to enter our fray. We’re going to kick things off with a look at some boxing, because it’s becoming a little bit of a, hmm … What’s the right word? I think circus could be what it is.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Circus, you could call it that.

Dawn Lupul:
But it’s not so much who you are in terms of being a boxer. It’s how many followers you have or whether it’s on Instagram or Twitter or whatever. And so it’s changing into a media circus, but you can’t blame guys like Floyd Mayweather. Of course, this is all precipitated by Floyd. They finalized the fight. It is happening, him and Mr. Logan Paul, who happens to be a YouTuber with a big following. I mean, Floyd’s looking at $100 million payday, so fair or foul?

Kenyon Rasheed:
Well I can’t get mad at Floyd.

Gary Payton:
No.

Kenyon Rasheed:
We can’t get mad at Floyd. But, really?

Dawn Lupul:
Yep.

Brian Jones:
Yeah.

Kenyon Rasheed:
We talking boxing-

Brian Jones:
Yeah, you don’t begrudge anyone.

Kenyon Rasheed:
… You think that this dude is going to pick up boxing and beat a dude that’s been boxing his whole life?

Brian Jones:
Right.

Kenyon Rasheed:
That’s just like saying, me and BJ going to play Gary, when Gary in his prime and somebody going to pay to watch that.

Gary Payton:
But Ken, but Ken, this is crazy anyway. He’s probably the greatest boxer, pound for pound, in the world. Then you get a dude off of YouTube who probably ain’t fought no professional fights, probably if he did, a half a fight or whatever that crap is and they call him a pro now, and he going to try to get in. I don’t care how old this dude is. This dude was a great defensive fighter. He’s a great fighter. He pounds on you. He just beats you when he wants to. He wins fights like that. People were so bored of him because he was doing it so easy. You know what I’m saying? So now you’re going to think that this dude don’t stay in shape, and you going to come because you on Instagram or have some followers, and say you want to fight this dude? You should have picked some bum. You know what I’m saying? Instead of picking the greatest. This boy ain’t lost a fight in his life-

Brian Jones:
Yeah, you should have-

Gary Payton:
Against some of the best ones, and you crazy.

Brian Jones:
You should have worked yourself up to this level, even though he’s been out of the game for a minute and you’re right, G. He’s a technician. That’s how he fought, and mama had one rule. Never run to an ass whipping. That’s what this dude’s doing. That just be ridiculous.

Kenyon Rasheed:
But he about to run to a 50 million, $75 million ass whipping.

Brian Jones:
I’ll take that ass whipping mama.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I got a question for all of you all. If you got $75 million to jump in there with Mike Tyson, would you take $75 million, take that ass whooping?

Brian Jones:
Yes.

Dawn Lupul:
I would.

Gary Payton:
Shit.

Dawn Lupul:
He wouldn’t hit a girl, would he?

Gary Payton:
They going to be mad at me because as soon as he hit me, I’m going to fall like I had a heart attack. Hell, he hit me hard.

Brian Jones:
Michael Spinks. Michael Spinks.

Gary Payton:
Hey, it was 30 something seconds-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Michael Spinks said, “He hit me in my arm and it hurt.”

Gary Payton:
… What, it was a minute and six seconds. Oh, knocked him out. Eyes all in the back of his head. I’m doing everything. This is going to be a show for me. I ain’t going to lie.

Brian Jones:
Everybody has a price, so yes, count me in. How many million? I’ll make sure I got my doctor on standby, my orthopedist. Now you’re going to get a little cut because I’m going to be beaten up. So just make sure you’re here standing by with pain killers or something, because I’m going to need them.

Dawn Lupul:
So something else that’s-

Kenyon Rasheed:
So is this money coming out of the pockets of the current boxers? Because now you got the legends community, you got the old dudes doing they tour. Now you got celebrity boxing. You got boxing the split on four different platforms now with [crosstalk 00:06:15].

Brian Jones:
It’s an indictment of the current landscape of boxing, Kenyon.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yeah, man, the landscape is completely changing. And really, maybe this is the way for boxers to I guess, increase their … I don’t know, man. I-

Gary Payton:
But look, Kenyon. It’s like this, though. Everybody now has made this a real show, entertaining. It wasn’t entertainment at first, but now it’s a real show entertainment. It ain’t nothing but a show now. It’s not boxing.

Kenyon Rasheed:
It’s not boxing.

Gary Payton:
They’re not really boxing. They just saying, “Come on.” Just like Holyfield is about to come out of retirement. Come on man? He’s almost 60 years old, man. Come on, now.

Kenyon Rasheed:
We saw that.

Gary Payton:
Be realistic on that, man. You know what I’m saying? But you’re going to box.

Brian Jones:
You know what it is. It’s a carnival freak show. That’s what it is. People are going to tune in. They’re going to pay money. I ain’t paying to see the shit, but people going to pay to watch and see what happens. That’s all it is. We know this is a mismatch.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Did you all get the Roy Jones and Mike Tyson? Did you all watch the Roy Jones, Mike Tyson?

Gary Payton:
I watched it. I watched it.

Kenyon Rasheed:
What did you think? What did you think, Gary?

Gary Payton:
I just thought Mike was in great shape.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I thought so, too.

Gary Payton:
He was in great shape, and I think Roy just didn’t want to do it. Remember, he wanted to back out at first. And then he just came in and Roy being the person like we were just saying, like Mayweather, he was a great athlete that could do it. He just knew how to not get hurt. You know what I’m saying? He punched. He punched Mike. He punched back. He got in. He got out. He got fast. He got out. He showed a little bit of his ability. You never going to lose … It’s almost like riding a bike. You going boom, boom, boom, get in, back out. You know what I’m saying? But you’re not as fast as you used to be. Mike couldn’t catch him, and Mike is a heavyweight. That dude went from middleweight all the way up to the light heavyweight. Man, he know how to do that. He’s smart.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yeah, he is.

Gary Payton:
So it was a good thing and people was like, “Well, Roy wasn’t in shape.” Well he didn’t have to be, man. I mean God, he know how to do it. It’s like riding a bike. He got away from it.

Brian Jones:
But those are two brand names. Those are guys who made it to the top of their weight class and were champions, perennial champions. So they have the name recognition, even though they’re a little long in the tooth. The fact that Mike, one, was in shape and looked great, and Roy, he wanted to back out. He had some reservations about it, but he still got in there and he did his thing. He didn’t get in there and say, “Okay, Well I’m just go let it all hang out and let this dude knock me out. No, I’m going to do what I’ve always done.” So he was smart about it, but they had that brand name. So that is totally different from what we’re talking about here with Floyd and his opponent.

Dawn Lupul:
There’s no way I’m watching that fight with Floyd and Logan, but there is one that interests me, and there was talks between Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield. Apparently, those fell through, couldn’t agree on the money, but it looks now like it’s going to be Tyson versus Lennox Lewis.

Kenyon Rasheed:
But do y’all remember what that looked like last time?

Dawn Lupul:
Yep. Tyson versus Lennox Lewis.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Anybody remember what that fight looked like with Lennox Lewis and Mike-

Dawn Lupul:
Yep Tyson versus Lennox Lewis.

Brian Jones:
Huh? I can’t hear you.

Kenyon Rasheed:
… Mike Tyson got his ass whooped. Anybody want to see that again? And by the way, we can thank Gary for all of this, too, because the big three is the one that started all of this. Let’s be honest. The big three started all of this because-

Gary Payton:
No. No, you got to say Ice Cube.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I’m just saying. Ice Cube had a great idea.

Gary Payton:
Ice Cube got it all the way back.

Kenyon Rasheed:
These are brands that people recognize that still, they want to engage with.

Brian Jones:
Yep.

Kenyon Rasheed:
We retire. We go into a world that no one sees us. So what the big three proved is that there is a market for former brands and players that fans want to see doing their sport. Now, they’re not running and dunking like they were, but man, I watched it every Saturday. I saw G on the sideline doing his thing.

Brian Jones:
It’s the ultimate, “where are they now?”

Kenyon Rasheed:
It’s just where are they now?

Brian Jones:
Yeah.

Kenyon Rasheed:
So boxing was smart enough to recognize this and now, with the streaming platforms and the social media, they can actually produce an event without having mainstream boxing fans.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah.

Gary Payton:
And then you got to think about it, too, Kenyon. These people in the big three, Q went and got Hall of Famers and all-time coaches, you know what I’m saying? People that coach this stuff, so fans can come in the stands and say, “Shoot, man. We’re getting to see Gary Payton, Dr. Jay, George Gervin on the sidelines, and get to interact with them.” What boxing doing now, what that group went and got Snoop.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Snoop, yep.

Gary Payton:
They seen Snoop do that Mike Tyson and thing. Now just Saturday, Snoop brought out Too Short, 40, and Ice Cube. They did a concert because they got the Westmore thing coming out, the album, and people was like, “Whoa,” in Atlanta. They came out. The people are just knowing how to do it. They got to bring other people in here that will being around it, which is Snoop, and Snoop bring all his celebrity partner. And then you can go to the fight and see all of them. You know what I’m saying?

Brian Jones:
And I would pay good money to listen to Snoop Dogg do commentary. Because you know it’s going to be authentic. It’s going to be genuine. It’s going to be real, and he’s going to say some shit that’s going to go viral.

Kenyon Rasheed:
See it look like two of my uncles fighting at a barbecue.

Dawn Lupul:
You guys are talking about-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Two drunk uncles, fighting at a barbecue.

Dawn Lupul:
… You’re talking about Snoop. We were going to talk about the draft, but let’s hold that for one segment. Let’s get into the new weed rules, because with Snoop-

Brian Jones:
Oh, perfect segue.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, I mean, I couldn’t let that one just fall. Absolutely not. So this is in the NFL, everything’s changing. Warren has mentioned this on the show before about the new collective bargaining agreement, and the players wanted to be able to smoke marijuana, to treat themselves with CBD, to do whatever they needed to do during the off season. That was one of the agreements that was just reached under the league’s new CBA, which was passed last year. Players will not be tested for delta-9 THC carboxylic acid. It’s marijuana, which is the prominent-

Brian Jones:
Thank you.

Dawn Lupul:
… chemical found in cannabis, from April 20th to August 9th. So this is just off season. Gary, let’s talk to you because obviously, this is a direction that you have gone into since you retired.

Gary Payton:
Yeah. Dawn, this is something that I think a lot of sports cannot stop. These are younger guys on these teams. They’re smoking. Everybody. My sons do it all the time. You know what I’m saying? And we can’t stop them. We’re not going to stop them, so we have to compromise with them, to make them don’t do it overboard of it. Okay, we’re going to let you do it, but you’re going to have to come to work and be ready to practice. Now, I wouldn’t have no problems with that.

Gary Payton:
Now, you can do your whatever you’re going to do with your life because I’m not going to stop you anyway. But you got to come to work prepared. I don’t want you coming there high. I don’t want you coming there, all this. Then you can go and relax and do what you want to do. I guess basketball understood that, because it’s 89% of their players are doing it. You know what I’m saying? So they can’t stop it. So if you test and all of them come back positive, what is going to happen? We’re not going to have a league. So you can’t do that. You are not going to have a league.

Gary Payton:
I’m into this now because I want the people understand, you do not really have any kind of thing that is going to hurt you. I have never seen cannabis kill you. I haven’t seen it. I’ve seen a lot of other drugs kill you, but I haven’t seen cannabis really make something happen to you to die and I’ve done a lot of research on this since I’ve got into it, because I was trying to help my mom before she died to get her something that will relax, take the pain off and do that type of thing.

Gary Payton:
I’m coming into something with a product now, about concussions. I’m trying to do that now, since I want to let people understand that we’re trying to stop these football players, boxers, not to have these problems at the end of their careers and late in their lives, that they want to take their lives and do crazy stuff. We need to help. I’m an athlete. I don’t care. I didn’t play football or I didn’t box, but I’m an athlete and I’m concerned about other athletes, because we’re the same. You know what I’m saying?

Gary Payton:
So I got to be concerned about that, and I’m happy that a lot of these sports are starting to understand. Do your research. Please do your research on this stuff. It’s not really harming us and killing us. These guys are feeling the same way. We look at lean. These rappers are getting killed off this lean. That stuff is, with all that stuff is added in there, in that lean. Their hearts are blowing up. Now, if we make a cannabis like that. Let’s think about that, with none of that stuff in there, none of that, that’ll get you the same high or the same wherever you want to take it, and then be safe. Yes, okay, we’re going to do it because we’re not going to stop. You know what I’m saying?

Gary Payton:
So let’s keep it safe for them and help these people and help these other guys, because I’m tired of seeing the rappers die. We’re seeing too many of the rappers die. We just lost two of them, Shock G and DMX, and I’m tired of this. I’m just tired of seeing my guys that I’ve been close to growing up-

Brian Jones:
Now, here’s the other thing, G. There’s a misconception about who the smokers are, because it runs the gamut from athletes to businessmen to drug addicts. It runs the whole gamut. But the other thing, especially in terms of controlling your pain or finding remedies that can assist you with pain, a lot of us have shunned the pharmaceutical drugs. I hate taking pills, unless it’s just absolutely necessary. And if there’s a remedy out there that can assist me in mitigating the pain I’m struggling with, and everyday I find something that hurts. I’m going to navigate to that product, and that’s what these players are doing, and the league better get on board because this train has left the depot, man. It’s left the station.

Brian Jones:
While this is a baby step, it’s a step in the right direction. They just need to outlaw it outright, because all your damn players are utilizing it, and if it can assist me with my efforts to live a better quality of life, it can assist me in being a better productive football player, basketball player, just a human being, why wouldn’t you sign on to that? So I think there’s been a huge C change, and you look at the numbers of states who are bringing it online, legalizing it … Here in Florida, we just had a little setback because somehow the Florida Supreme Court got in and muddied the waters.

Brian Jones:
Of course, New York, New Jersey they just legalized it. You’re going to see more states come online and all this breathless reporting about the fears and you’re going to have a ton of people driving around like zombies, hasn’t come to fruition. So we need to stop with the scare tactics, and as you just stated, do your damn research. It’s not a gateway drug. Now, some people just may, they just need something stronger. I don’t. There are certain things, that some people like, “Nah, I don’t know what he on. He can keep that.” But it is definitely something that can help manage your pain, for sure.

Dawn Lupul:
What do you think, Kenyon.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I think again, the way the leagues are doing it is smart because the public sentiment and the way that cannabis is viewed, they have to have data supporting it for their groups. So one of the things that me and BJ started was, we did a study just non-THC, but just hemp oil, and we put it on 73 NFL players just to find out about the cognitive benefits, right? Instead of sitting up here, telling everyone the safety of it and that it is safe, because we know it’s safe, let’s put some data and let’s put some science to it, and same with Gary and his brand that he’s doing. I mean, he’s got a great team behind him and they’re really putting the science part to work. So when people think about the benefits and they think about just getting high, they don’t think about the health benefits, the cognitive benefits of what this can do.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I think as athletes, one of the things we’re trying to do is bring that to the forefront with number one, the brands, but also let’s do some studies. Let’s get former players using it and let’s see how they progress, right? Let’s track them. Then, let’s turn that data back over to the leagues so they can make that, turn that page and say, “You know what? We’ve tested it. We know it’s safe, and by the way, it’s better than some of these damn drugs that they putting out on our players right now that’s causing all of these problems later in life.” So I think it’s just a natural progression and I’m proud the NFL took this step. Now, it took the NBA to do it first, but at least they’re moving in that direction, so I’m excited.

Brian Jones:
Yeah, as long as it doesn’t compromise your work, as Gary alluded to, yay man, do whatever. You’re not harming anyone else. And he’s right, how many deaths have been documented because someone overdosed on smoking a joint? I don’t know of any.

Kenyon Rasheed:
And if anybody needs an expert, BJ is willing to step.

Brian Jones:
No, that is not true. Prank caller. Prank caller.

Dawn Lupul:
[crosstalk 00:19:46].

Kenyon Rasheed:
If y’all need a focus group study? I got a person in mind for you.

Gary Payton:
Hey Brian. Keny, Polly want a cracker. Polly want a cracker. You dangling a cracker in front of Kenyon, boy. Kenyon going to be a [inaudible 00:20:00]. Boy we better not go nowhere with Kenyon, man.

Brian Jones:
Right. Right. He going to get everybody busted.

Dawn Lupul:
I think this should be, this discussion should be fueled by athletes and ex-athletes because you are the guys, or you were the guys who were on the field or on the playing court, and you know what your bodies deal with and you know what your minds deal with. So it’s not for the lawmakers to sit back and say what is right, and what isn’t right. It should be definitely driven by the athlete, so it’s good to see that it is.

Brian Jones:
Right. Stop relying on those old talking points, man. I mean, you go back to studies that were done and, “Oh, it’s a gateway drug. It leads to this. And everybody will be running around looking like” … Come on, just do your due diligence.

Dawn Lupul:
It’s 2021. And they were the hippies at Woodstock back in the day, right? In the 60s, yeah. Yeah, it hasn’t gotten worse. So that’s good. We’ll move on because the draft is also obviously the big topic of conversation, and it’s happening, today’s Wednesday, it’s happening tomorrow night. Yeah, and for the next couple of days after that. So BJ, I know that you with your work have really delved into the draft this year. Do you have any surprises? Co you have any intel? We did see Teddy Bridgewater get traded today from Carolina to Denver, which is, I think, a great move because it gives Drew Lock some support and we knew it was going to happen. I tried to tell Warren that last week, but I was just a week early, so.

Brian Jones:
Well, per usual, all the focus is on the quarterbacks of course, and while I’m a big fan of Matt Jones, I was one of the only college football analysts that didn’t believe he would lose his job last year to the five-star heavily recruited Bryce Young from out of California. Because I thought the small sample size we saw, the three ball games in which he took over for Tua Tagovailoa, he availed himself pretty well, even though he had a couple pick sixes in the Iron Bowl versus Auburn, he still came back and led that team spectacularly, especially versus Michigan in the bowl game. So I thought he had all the abilities and now everyone knows he did because of what transpired last season, helping lead them to another national title. So I like his game. There’s a little concern that he’s not going to be protected like he was, by Pat Hughes-

Kenyon Rasheed:
What do you like about his game, BJ?

Brian Jones:
I like the way he processes things.

Kenyon Rasheed:
[crosstalk 00:22:21], I want to know-

Brian Jones:
I like the way he processes.

Kenyon Rasheed:
So he processes information fast. Okay.

Brian Jones:
This guy is so damn smart and then there’s the back stories, how he got everyone together when they had to shut things down last spring and last summer. He got all these guys together. He was doing things that normally the coaches would set up, as far as how he went about practicing with his teammates. So they were as shocked because he ran it as though, Steve Sarkisian, their former OC and Nick Saban were out there. So they were really surprised at that. And then, once again, in the games and the way he could go from that first, second, third, even the fourth for me, and throwing the ball, throwing guys open, and knowing where they were going to be, just a smart, cerebral player. Love his game.

Brian Jones:
What I was going to say is that maybe I’m a little concerned with him not having athleticism that some of these other quarterbacks possess. He better get behind a damn good offensive line. That’s all I’m saying about that. Now, the fail safe, 100% guy’s going to be Trevor Lawrence. I think he’s a hybrid. Here’s a guy that can threaten every level on the field. Here’s a guy that possesses that athleticism. Look what he did to Alabama as a true freshman, where he ran all through them, threw all over them. Yeah, you need some help, and he had the pieces to assist, but I think he is the real deal and he’s going to do yeoman’s work for Jacksonville. There’s no way they don’t pick him.

Brian Jones:
Justin Fields, man, everyone’s questioning whether or not he can process things. There’re games, there’s a lot of games, a lot of footage where he did exactly what he needed to do, get his team in and out of the right play. Then there’re some others where he didn’t do it as well. But you don’t throw the damn watermelon away because of the seeds, do you? So I think he has a lot of upside. He’s going to be a pretty good player. But all, and Kenyon, will tell you this, G, will tell you this, it all goes back to the system that you are plugged into. If that coach knows how to utilize you. As long as that coach is not beholden to his philosophy and say, “Okay, this guy may not fit my team, how I’ve coached in the past, but he’s got a hell of a lot of talent, so I’m going to adjust my concepts and make sure this is a fit for him because we draft him in a high position.”

Brian Jones:
So sometimes these coaches have to adjust, and we’re actually seeing that. I’ve seen the collegiate game influence the pro game more so in the last four or five years than I’ve ever seen it. I remember going to the pros and Raiders defense coordinator Dave Adolf saying, “We don’t run cover three like this, Brain Jones. We run it like this. I don’t care what you did at the University of Texas.” So they used to be that we had to adjust. Now, you’re seeing, especially offensively, a lot of teams are adjusting to the style of quarterbacks that are entering the league.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Well, I think too-

Gary Payton:
So, Kenyon and Brian, who the 49ers should take with the third pick?

Kenyon Rasheed:
I think they should take Matt Jones. I think they have a Super Bowl ready team, Gary. They want a quarterback that’s not going to make mistakes. They going to run the football, and they want a quarterback that’s going to basically lead a team. They don’t need-

Brian Jones:
He’s a throw back. He’s a throw back.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yeah, they don’t need a dynamic, get out there, run the ball, do all that. They want some guy don’t throw picks. Keep us in the game, let our defense and our run game and our physicality do it. I tell you man, people sleeping on the 49ers for next year. If they get this boy and he’s halfway decent and don’t make mistakes and they get rid of … I’m still not a fan of Jimmy G, but I think from a fit perspective, Matt Jones is a great fit for San Francisco.

Brian Jones:
This is lofty praise, G. I think he’s second cover to Joe Montana. That’s the type of player-

Kenyon Rasheed:
But he also could beat Chris Weinke. He also could beat Chris Weinke.

Gary Payton:
[crosstalk 00:26:16] about that. That’s why I think-

Kenyon Rasheed:
He could beat Chris Weinke.

Gary Payton:
That’s why I think … Oh, no, don’t do that.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yeah, he can.

Gary Payton:
Don’t do that.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yeah, there’s a chance G.

Dawn Lupul:
Don’t do that to Gary.

Gary Payton:
Don’t do that.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I’m just trying to tell you.

Gary Payton:
Hey, buddy, but [crosstalk 00:26:28] buddy, what I’m thinking though you guys is because we’re in that division with Murray and Wilson, that’s why we’re thinking about the Lance, Trevor Lance and them, because we want to keep up with the Joneses. If they’re running us, because Murray kills us every time-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yeah, he do.

Gary Payton:
… but we just beat them because we we got probably the better football team, but they got a better team too, now, the Cardinals. But we’re trying to say, “Okay, why not have a quarterback that can do the same thing and put the same pressure on them?” But you guys saying an old school throwback of Montana. Now, if we get that, we’re something else.

Brian Jones:
Well, if you can protect him. The caveat, you have to be able to protect him.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Protect him.

Brian Jones:
I’m not saying the dude can’t get out of harm’s way. He can, but he’s not as athletic as the rest of these guys and the ones we’ve seen coming out of the collegiate branch here of late. But hell yeah, I would take him. He’s smart. He’s a coach on the field. He’s another offensive coordinator on that damn field for you, man. So he’s a guy you know is going to put in the work and he’s going to be a professional right out the gate. So yeah, let’s make sure we protect him, and he’s our guy, and we want to lean on the run again, we want a pro style type of offense. This guy’s, perfect for that.

Kenyon Rasheed:
They just gave Trent Williams rookie, I mean, a record contract.

Gary Payton:
Oh right. We got a-

Kenyon Rasheed:
… so their ideas, their strength is in that offensive line.

Gary Payton:
… We got a whole line. We got a whole line that can protect him.

Brian Jones:
He’s your guy.

Gary Payton:
… so we’re good. As long as everybody come back healthy, the 49ers are moving back to Super Bowl.

Brian Jones:
You want him to come in and play day one, this is your guy. Day one.

Kenyon Rasheed:
So I got a question for Gary on the 49ers in this season. What are the expectations that you have for the 49ers this year?

Dawn Lupul:
Win.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Is it Super Bowl or bust? Is it, hey, if we get to the playoffs this year … I’m just curious, what is success look like for you as a fan for the 49ers?

Gary Payton:
So you know I’m a big 49 fan, Keny. So you know we went to the Super Bowl two years ago. Then all of a sudden, we had the record-breaking NFL team with the most injuries ever in the history of the NFL, where almost all our players get hurt, okay? All the superstars, everybody gets hurt. So then all of a sudden, now we’re saying now, okay, our quarterback didn’t work out. We gave him too much money, whatever with that.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Well, he’s dating porn stars, too.

Gary Payton:
We take away. We give away-

Kenyon Rasheed:
He was out with porn stars a couple of times too

Brian Jones:
No. Why are you assailing porn stars, man? What’d they do to you?

Dawn Lupul:
What’d they-

Gary Payton:
Nah, see, here you go. Here you go. Here you go-

Dawn Lupul:
What does that have to do with it?

Kenyon Rasheed:
I’m just trying to say-

Brian Jones:
Snitch it G. Snitch it.

Kenyon Rasheed:
… you can’t be out with a porn star and win the Super Bowl.

Gary Payton:
Polly want a cracker. Polly want a cracker. That’s a Polly want a cracker, right? Hey, look-

Kenyon Rasheed:
I’m sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Gary Payton:
… I just think that we gave up so much to get this third pick. We’re not doing it for no reason. We’re doing it for a reason. We’re doing it for, we want to win right now, because we have the team to win right now. I think getting to the playoffs, that’s a no-brainer. We were hurting and won six games after everything. We’re talking about going back to the Super Bowl and winning it this year, because we were supposed to lose it against Kansas City. We was up 10 points with six minutes to go and the ball and just got to pick and we blew up. You know what I’m saying? So I’m just saying right now, we have to pick the best quarterback. We know we going to get a quarterback. And with that [crosstalk 00:29:52]-

Brian Jones:
Maybe then your ass is in front office with all these weeds.

Dawn Lupul:
He’s there.

Brian Jones:
Weeds. Weeds.

Dawn Lupul:
He’s in there. How do you know he isn’t?

Gary Payton:
I talk to Keena Turner. I talk to Keena Turner every day and he in the office. So [crosstalk 00:30:04].

Kenyon Rasheed:
He’s saying weed.

Brian Jones:
You are the front office.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Gary calling up the gym, “What we going to do about this?”

Gary Payton:
Hey, man, you know I be going to the golf tournaments and everything. That before all this COVID was, but I was with Lentz, I was with Shanahan. Hey man, they was like, they done sent me my coats. All my new gear. Man, I got it all. Notes and stuff. [crosstalk 00:30:29]

Brian Jones:
This is what we going to do, okay?

Gary Payton:
It’s we.

Dawn Lupul:
It’s we. It’s-

Gary Payton:
Me and that boy E-40 boy, we been fast. We there every day. Every day.

Brian Jones:
Listen, I’m a lifelong Cowboys fan and I’ve hated the 49ers-

Dawn Lupul:
We’re sorry.

Brian Jones:
… since Dwight Clark, the late, great, Dwight, Clark catching that pass versus my Cowboys. And I will go to my grave saying this, the ensuing drive, if Drew Pearson had a tear away jersey, he would still be running and the Cowboys, would have come back and won that game. But, of course it didn’t happen and the great legacy of the 49ers is going-

Kenyon Rasheed:
When’s the last time the 49ers was, that they won the Super Bowl, Gary? I can’t remember.

Gary Payton:
I think it was our last one, was in ’94?

Kenyon Rasheed:
94?

Gary Payton:
92, 94? 94, I think.

Brian Jones:
Was that the Chargers?

Kenyon Rasheed:
Okay, it’s been a while. It’s been a while.

Gary Payton:
[crosstalk 00:31:20].

Brian Jones:
The Chargers right?

Gary Payton:
That was our last Super Bowl, because that was our last [crosstalk 00:31:20] one and then we done went five times, won them five. Now we went to the last two and we lost the two. We lost a Baltimore, now we just lost to the Chiefs. So we’ve been there seven times. We’re five and two.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I’m a fan of the 49ers. I like the way that you play.

Gary Payton:
There you go.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I like the way that they about their physical.

Gary Payton:
[crosstalk 00:31:38]

Brian Jones:
Listen, Kyle Shanahan, hook’em horns. Kyle, hook’em horns. But nah, I’m never getting over that Dwight Clark catch. Nah.

Kenyon Rasheed:
And they used a full back too, so that’s why I like them.

Gary Payton:
That’s true they do.

Brian Jones:
What’s his name?

Kenyon Rasheed:
He’s bad.

Gary Payton:
We just paid our fullback.

Kenyon Rasheed:
You can have [crosstalk 00:31:55].

Gary Payton:
He made the Pro Bowl and everything. You understand me. He good.

Dawn Lupul:
This is about fast talk. It’s we. Like we are in the office.

Gary Payton:
Yeah, it is.

Dawn Lupul:
We’re making the decisions. We know if we put enough out there on social media that they’re going to listen to us. But it’s just not happening.

Brian Jones:
They’re going to listen to G.

Dawn Lupul:
They’re listening to G.

Kenyon Rasheed:
They’re listening to G.

Dawn Lupul:
He’s got the pipeline. He’s in there. Okay, so the draft is is very soon and it’s going to be super exciting. I can’t wait to see who maneuvers, who moves up, who makes the bad pick. It seems to me, the NBA draft would be easier than, I don’t know to assess players because it’s like just a smaller ecosystem. I mean, Gary, they can look at you and they could say, “This guy’s a star.” I mean, it just seems like there’s more hidden in NFL players, their talent.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Well, it’s a more of a guest game, because how evaluated somebody on a field outside of what they do on the field?

Dawn Lupul:
Right.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I’ve always thought this combine stuff is hilarious. Because last I checked, I’ve never ran 40 yards in a straight line without somebody chasing me. So why are you checking me when there’s nobody chasing me? I mean, you can’t mimic that, which is why the NFL draft is such a crap shoot, right?

Dawn Lupul:
It is.

Kenyon Rasheed:
So I got a question for everybody and you guys can give me your picks. Who do you think tomorrow, out of this NFL draft, which team comes out the best? Which team basically benefits from their draft the best, heading into next year?

Brian Jones:
Wow.

Kenyon Rasheed:
And you’ve got to pick one team and you can’t pick your fan team.

Gary Payton:
I think the New England Patriots.

Kenyon Rasheed:
You’re going to go the Patriots?

Gary Payton:
I’m going to go with the New England Patriots. I know my 49ers are my team, if they get a great quarterback and it works out, but we don’t know which one is going to be a great quarterback. Anybody you could pick, but I think the New England Patriots have set their team up to become a good team. He’s done, put the right people in the right things, got rid of the players, did all the stuff he wants to. And now, he’s trying to trade up again, to get another quarterback, which I think who they’re looking for Fields or whoever it be there, they’re making … This is what they do. New England says-

Kenyon Rasheed:
They sure do.

Gary Payton:
… “I messed up. Let Brady go. Now, we got to come back.” You know what I’m saying? “I should have paid the boy. Did what we had to do. Just give him protection.” Now you were thinking about after he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay. It is what it is. I think New England has the most upside or lose, they’re going to do something before tomorrow, to do something, to get their team really, really good.

Brian Jones:
I’m going to choose the guy that comes from the Bill Belichick coaching tree, Brian Flores, just down the highway for me here with the Dolphins, man. The moves he’s made, are reminiscent of the Patriots, because he traded guys, traded picks. He’s amassing, so many picks. He traded guys to amass more pics. And they’re not that far off. They were right in the thick of it a season ago.They get Tua right, get him some more weapons. And if I’m them, everyone said it’s going to be Devonta Smith, I would take Kyle Pitts. That dudes a game changer. That tight end/wide receiver out of Florida. Yeah you’re right, he’s a unicorn, but as coach Dan Mullen called him, he’s fabulous. He tore up everybody he played against, including Alabama in that SEC Championship game. The guy is a freak.

Kenyon Rasheed:
So BJ, if you’re Atlanta, do you take Kyle Pitts or do you get a quarterback?

Brian Jones:
Yes. Yes, we did a mock draft last week, I’m taking Kyle. I ain’t taking no damn quarterback. Matt Ryan is just fine. Give some more weapons, I’m taking Kyle Pitts. I just saw where they’re entertaining any and all trades and they’re including Julio Jones into those conversations, I’m like, “Wow.” But-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Well. Well-

Brian Jones:
… you understand this is a-

Kenyon Rasheed:
… if you take Kyle Pitts, you get Julio Jones, because that dude is-

Brian Jones:
You get him … exactly.

Kenyon Rasheed:
… Julio 2.0, a little bit taller and a little bit longer. So, a younger version, cheaper-

Dawn Lupul:
A whole lot younger.

Kenyon Rasheed:
… and if you’re rebuilding … Again, but you got still got a Matt Ryan as an older quarterback.

Brian Jones:
I think Matt Ryan, he’s got a lot of tread left on this tires. If I’m sitting there-

Kenyon Rasheed:
But if Atlanta takes a quarterback, that’s going to set the whole draft on fire, right? But I’m going to have to agree with Gary. I think New England and the moves they made in the off season, I think they have a clear plan on trying to get back. They’re going to get the guys who set out last year are coming back this year on the defensive side of the ball and like you said, man, when you see your quarterback down there holding up that trophy you know you got work to do. And they are going to work. So look for them to draft like they normally do and get some gems out of here. But I like New England too. I have to agree with Gary on that one.

Dawn Lupul:
I’m taking Jacksonville. That’s the obvious pick. Don’t they have like, six picks or something? They’ve got a ton of picks. They’ve got the number one pick. They’ve got new blood everywhere including the head coach, which hopefully works out. But yeah, for me Jacksonville.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Jacksonville, okay.

Dawn Lupul:
I think to go to the original question, who makes the biggest move and going into … I think it’s Jacksonville. I think it’s by far. By far.

Kenyon Rasheed:
There we go. We’ll see. I guess we’ll see you this weekend, huh?

Dawn Lupul:
We’ll see. Well, we’ll see you next year. You got to let it play out.

Gary Payton:
It’ll play out, right?

Kenyon Rasheed:
Exactly.

Dawn Lupul:
You’ve got to let it play out. And again, about the NBA draft, it has, of course gotten a little bit more difficult with everyone playing internationally and playing in G Leagues, and not necessarily going to college road. So things are changing gentleman. That’s one thing we can be sure about is-

Brian Jones:
They’re so damn young. Oh my goodness.

Dawn Lupul:
… things change. Yeah.

Brian Jones:
He’s one and done. He’s so damn young. That’s what turns me off about the game. I like watching grown men who know the damn game play it, but I know it’s changed. There’s been a-

Kenyon Rasheed:
It look like a pick up game out there in the NBA these days.

Gary Payton:
Well Brian, what the problem is, is that with the NBA, we are more up-tempo, we want a show. We want to show now too. And these younger guys are giving you that show. You hear what I’m saying?

Brian Jones:
Yep. Yep.

Gary Payton:
So it’s like now eventually we’re going to go back to high school, coming out of high school, because college is nothing no more. College is noting. These kids don’t want to go to college.

Kenyon Rasheed:
They sure don’t.

Gary Payton:
They only got to go for 1 year-

Dawn Lupul:
Well, it’s the money. Money. Money. Money.

Gary Payton:
… that’s five months. That’s five months.

Brian Jones:
But too you point-

Gary Payton:
You don’t even get-

Brian Jones:
Yeah, but to your point, that’s what the NFL did, that’s why they’ve laxed the rules or are tightened the rules as far as what defenses can do, because they want more points on the board as well, because they know that’s what sells tickets.

Gary Payton:
But the best thing about the NFL is they make you stay in college for 3 years.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yeah, three years.

Gary Payton:
See what I’m saying? So if we make our basketball players stay in for two years, at least til they get 20. You know what I’m saying? 19, 20. 19, they’re already 18 when they’re getting out of high school. So with at least them to stay to 20, they’re learning the game, because if we look at it, a lot of these players who come out that’s young, they’re in a G League, already playing, man and they not doing nothing. Then they get lost. And then, we don’t never have super … Or we don’t have the superstars no more. We don’t have the Kobes coming out. We don’t have the Kevin Garnett’s coming out like that no more. We only get one of them every 10 years. You know what I’m saying? The Zion. He that one. He that one or 10 years. We might not have another one of them until another seven, eight more years. You know what I’m saying? So we got to understand and that we got to really, really buckle down and think about do we want to do this or whatever, if that’s our way our league is going, it’s cool. But we’ve got to get this basketball where a lot of us, that who are older, we’re not liking it because we are used to something else.

Brian Jones:
Oh, I hate it.

Gary Payton:
We’re used to something else. We’re used to, man, looking at dudes out there that know how to play the game and make the right play at the right time. We’re used to-

Kenyon Rasheed:
I’m trying.

Brian Jones:
Listen, I had this conversation-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Gary, I am trying.

Brian Jones:
Yeah, I am too.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I am try … I can’t do it.

Brian Jones:
And I got in a heated conversation with a former broadcast partner at CBS Sports Radio, Gio and I were discussing this, and they said, “Oh, I get tired of these guys living off nostalgia and this and this.” And one of their guys, Andrew, brought in the record from back in the day and a lot of the teams were below 500. And I said, “Stats are like no offense,” our resident host said, “Stats are like that woman wearing that bikini, man. They show you a lot, but they don’t show you everything.” So just because their records … I know, no one can embarrass Dawn, but anyway, I said the game was more physical. The game was technically sound. You had fundamentals. And that’s what I grew up with it and maybe I’m beholden to that old-school. Now I up pace, so fast tempo. I’m with that. But damn, at least have the fundamentals down.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Well shit, could you play some defense? Could you get up in somebody’s-

Brian Jones:
But play some defense.

Kenyon Rasheed:
… Can you track the person? Can you put your hands on them? Can you do some Gary Payton on them? Can you-

Gary Payton:
But, Brian, you’ve got to understand, I’m with you on that, but down in the day, what was happening is that possessions were more valued-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Valued.

Brian Jones:
Right.

Gary Payton:
Okay. We didn’t we didn’t use the three-point shot as a weapon. Our weapon was a big man. We are throwing down there. He’ll sit there, they would have to double him, he’ll kick it out. And we’ll make defenses become problems because they would have to adjust. They would have to rotate, rotate, rotate it. If they wasn’t there, we’re getting free shots. So nowadays, it’s not like that because we’re coming on breaks, shooting threes on four on ones. You know what I’m saying? So our stats should have been low, because we’re playing more defense. We’re playing more about sound, fundamentally sound basketball. We’re getting more stops. They’re not getting 200 possessions. Shit, we were only getting probably only 79 to 84 possessions. You know what I’m saying? Nowadays, you’re getting 200 possessions to try to get 7,000 points. You know what I’m saying? That’s not going to work man with us. So it’s a lot of difference.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Question for you, Gary, real quick. If you wanted to stop an offensive player on the other side. You know he’s a great offensive player. Isn’t part of that strategy to make his ass work on the defensive end?

Brian Jones:
Yep.

Kenyon Rasheed:
So-

Gary Payton:
Get him tired.

Kenyon Rasheed:
… if you watch the players today, of who plays both sides of the ball, I mean, with intensity, because it is very difficult to do both on both ends of the floor. It really makes you wonder, am I saving some stuff on the offensive side. So I’m going to chill a little bit on defense. I’m going to let them score. And maybe coaches are giving them a pass on that, but I think when you see the playoffs, it’s a different game. The game in the playoffs is now a value possession game, right? So the intensity picks up the defense. The physicality in all of it picks up. So what you see there, separation of the stars. That now, what I was able to get away with in the regular season, and especially shooters. If you watch Curry in the regular season, dudes, he can run off screens, he’s got a little space. In the playoffs, man, those duds is grabbing him, holding him. They ain’t giving him the same calls. It’s a more physical game. It’s more like the old school. So teams that have veterans, have grown ass men, tend to do better in those playoffs. The other question I got for both of y’all is what happens when LeBron James retires to the NBA? Like who is the next LeBron … Like, I don’t see him, but who’s going to carry the NBA under that name when LeBron gets out of here?

Gary Payton:
Well, it will probably go to Garnett. I mean, Durant.

Brian Jones:
Durant.

Gary Payton:
It’ll probably go to go Durant, because he’s the next big name and the star. But, what the problem is there is that he’s more. He’s more on that I Instagram what they don’t like. LeBron is the key and the ideal spokesperson for the NBA because he doesn’t be on that crap. He doesn’t be on there fighting with people. He says, the right things, he’s going in the right direction with going against every anti whatever it is, he goes against it. And he speaks out against it. You know what I’m saying? So that’s what they want. They want kids to see that to make a role model out of that. That’s why you see him with so much stuff now. They give him Space Jam. He goes and buys into the Boston Red Sox. You know what I’m saying? That is what you want with a guy like that. He’s just like what Michael Jordan was. Michael Jordan became that, then they gave him a … He went to ownership. You know what I’m saying? And LeBron is going to do the same thing. He’s going to be the same type of basketball guy.

Brian Jones:
But he’s a lightning rod right now, and of course, last week, each step in and he was premature in his assessment. That being said, I didn’t think what he tweeted out incited violence towards that officer there in Columbus, Ohio. What he said was, “your next accountability.” Now, only when a big old black man says accountability and you’re next, do they equate that to violence. That had nothing to do with violence. I didn’t hear him say, “You’re next to get stabbed or you’re next to get shot.” This was on the same day that the Dereck Chauvin verdict came down as guilty, guilty, guilty. He steps in and says, “You’re next. Accountability.” That’s it. And that’s turned into, “Well, he wants them to go and stab or shoot this office that just shot this lady.” That officer was in a precarious situation. I’m thinking he did the right damn thing. Am I tired of seeing black people killed by police? Hell yeah, and just as much as anyone.

Brian Jones:
So he stepped into this force being premature, not being as informed on what occurred there, but everyone else was wrong to jump on him. But that’s what his critics are going to do. They’re going to jump on him. They’re going to pounce any time he gives them an opening, he allowed them and opening, but for the most part you are correct. Here’s a guy that’s been out there promoting voting rights and putting his mouth and money, or putting his money where his mouth is. So in that regard, he’s gone above and beyond what Michael Jordan has done, at least outwardly.

Brian Jones:
Now, I don’t know what Michael Jordan has done behind the scenes. I’m just here to say he’s done a hell of a lot, and we just don’t know about it, nor do we need to know about, because he didn’t do it for the publicity, he did because it was right. And a lot of people don’t need to be on the front lines. A lot of people can do just as much good work behind the scenes as those who are out front. So I’m not going to figure … Everyone brings up the comment, “Well, Republicans buy shoes too.” Well he was right, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t putting his money behind some of these activist groups way back then and he’s definitely doing it now since what happened with George Floyd and Trayvon Martin and others. So in that regard as being a guy whose vocal is out front, yeah, LeBron is that, but he’s become a fire brand and people, they can’t wait to take shots at him.

Dawn Lupul:
Gary, could Zion be that guy? I mean, he’s young now and he hasn’t really committed himself on a political level. But I mean, Kevin Durant, he’s 32 and he’s injured all the time, so if LeBron were to retire today, then yes. But, if we’re talking a couple of years, could Zion really be the next guy who really takes the league and goes somewhere with it?

Gary Payton:
Well Dawn, he has to grow up now though.

Dawn Lupul:
Yeah, well he’s still so young.

Gary Payton:
The guy, he’s still a kid. He’s still a kid and he’s not really, really that vocal type of player yet. He’s not that vocal type of player. He’s just getting his feet wet. But I say this to anybody, as you get into something, you’re going to grow. You’re going to grow to be that person. We don’t know what he’s going to do in the next couple of years, but he has promise. He as promise. So, what I’m saying is yes, as in a start studded way, yes, he can be that, because they’re pumping him up to be that. You know what I’m saying?

Gary Payton:
Now, it’s up to him to make the choice of that’s what he wants to be, because he has the power behind him and his self to do. You know what I’m saying? He has everything right there, the tools, to play this, with that basketball, he has it. But now, does he want to step up and say, “Yeah.” And when LeBron retires in a year or two, “Yeah, I want to do this. Yeah, I want to be that man. Yeah, I want to be that guy.” But right now-

Brian Jones:
Yeah, but he shouldn’t be forged G. And I think you would agree, he shouldn’t be forged to take the baton from … Nor should anyone else.

Gary Payton:
Nobody.

Brian Jones:
If it’s naturally and organically within you, yeah, you step out there and we’ve seen even … And we can accredit LeBron with this, and his contemporaries, man. We’ve seen sports really get into this thing and say, “We’re going to blur the landscape here, “and this intersection of sports and politics it’s always been here, but never has it been highlighted like it has been here recently.

Dawn Lupul:
We could go on for days with this. This is awesome and it is all good. And some things for us to think about, I would love to know and, Gary, we’re going to save this for another show, but, the young Gary, the 17 year old cocky brash, I’m all that Gary, would he have maybe taken the bait and jumped out right after high school into the league, or go to the G League where he could have been making $500,000 like is available now? Let’s save that.

Brian Jones:
Yeah, let’s save, because Dawn, I’m just going to give you a little spit. I probably wouldn’t, because my daddy wouldn’t have let me. I’m too young. The times-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Just waiting on that.

Gary Payton:
During this time-

Dawn Lupul:
I like it.

Gary Payton:
… this [inaudible 00:49:42] and all that crap wasn’t even on, my daddy was just too strict for that. That’s why I stayed in school for four years.

Dawn Lupul:
That is [crosstalk 00:49:50].

Brian Jones:
You know what may curb some of that Dawn, is this name, image and likeness. That may curb some of these guys coming out early.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Coming out, yeah.

Brian Jones:
The fact that now they can benefit in college from their name, from their production.

Dawn Lupul:
True.

Brian Jones:
So we’ll see. I think everyone’s pointing to all the bad and it could potentially pose for programs, but I think it could be good as well.

Dawn Lupul:
Okay. Well let’s touch on, since we were talking about Kevin Durant, let’s touch on the All Star, the fantasy teams, because Kevin Durant, he’s never short of something to say, is he? He’s got a platform and he uses it. He listed the players he wanted on his all time team. Starters including LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, Durant and Hakeem, which was cool. And the bench has Steph, Magic, Tracy McGrady, Dirk, Shack, Anthony Davis and Kevin Garnett. Gary?

Kenyon Rasheed:
Where Gary at on that team.

Dawn Lupul:
Where Gary’s on that, Gary should be on that team. Hold up.

Gary Payton:
Wait, hold on Dawn. What did you just say Dawn?

Dawn Lupul:
Hold on, and Payton.

Kenyon Rasheed:
I don’t see your name on there.

Dawn Lupul:
What. What?

Gary Payton:
Tell me what you said.

Dawn Lupul:
That was Kevin Durant’s, that was his all time team. His all time team.

Gary Payton:
No, you know what Dawn, this is what I say about all of this. It’s all about somebody’s opinion.

Dawn Lupul:
It is.

Gary Payton:
You know what I’m saying. It’s about that’s his opinion. You know what I’m saying? That’s who he wants to. And you got to understand, Durant is a young guy. He grew up on younger players and not two type of players, he only going to see what he wants to see right now. He doesn’t even have … Do he have Kareem on there?

Kenyon Rasheed:
Nope.

Dawn Lupul:
He didn’t have Kareem.

Kenyon Rasheed:
He’s got Hakeem.

Gary Payton:
Do he have Will Chamberlain on there?

Dawn Lupul:
So what’s you team, Gary? It’s got Kareem, it’s got Chamberlain. It’s got who else? Irving of course.

Gary Payton:
And Larry Bird-

Dawn Lupul:
Larry Bird.

Gary Payton:
See I’m an old school guy. But then you know, the guys who could have played in our era, the Kobes, the LeBrons-

Dawn Lupul:
Shack.

Gary Payton:
… they could have adjusted for our era. You know what I’m saying? We had great basketball players, people don’t really understand that. You know what I’m saying? I think one of the greatest point guards ever is John Stockton.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Stockton.

Gary Payton:
You know what I’m saying. It’s a different … George Gervin was one of the greatest basketball players I ever seen.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Ice.

Gary Payton:
And I still think that. And I idolize him to death. He’s like my second father. I got Elgin Baylor. The great Elgin Baylor who just died, who was great. You guys, and they tell us we’re thinking about old schools. Right., that’s our era. We’re not looking at this new school. That’s what y’all doing. Y’all looking at the new schools, what y’all grew up on. You never went and read and looked at old video tapes seeing what these dudes was about or what they can do. So yeah, I don’t look at these players right now.

Gary Payton:
People were questioning me about … They wasn’t really questioning me … about when I was talking about Stephs. I told them, Steph is not a point guard. He’s a tool guard. You’re converting him into a one guard. Okay, if we look at the Golden State Warriors, who has the ball most all the time? Draymond Green

Kenyon Rasheed:
Draymond Green.

Gary Payton:
Who has 17, 19 assists every night?

Kenyon Rasheed:
Draymond Green.

Gary Payton:
Draymond Green. You know what I’m saying? So he’s getting Curry off, because that’s what Curry does the best. Now as we talking about changing the game of shooting, him and Damian Lillard has done that as guards. They have changed the game of shooting shots that they make incredible and from long distances. Yes. But you’re talking about an all time great point guard. A point guard to me is a point player that makes your players better, who thinks about getting wins and assists and getting everybody off and making his team better and knowing how to call the right play at the right time, and being the coach on the floor. That’s what I’m talking about as a point guard. That’s a point guard to me. So when I look at that, I look at Magic Johnson. I look at the John Stockton. I look at Jason Kidd. I look at myself. I look at guys like that. You know what I’m saying? So, we’re doing it. It’s only to me, two true point guards in the NBA. That’s Chris Paul and Rondo.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Yep. Yep, that’s perfect.

Gary Payton:
They take their game to, let me do this first and then I’ll worry about this score. I don’t want this right now, I want my team to win. And you see what Chris Paul has done for that Phoenix team. They’re the number two team in the west. They won 40 something games and lost 19 or 18. And they’re a threat because he put him on the team to control the young boy Booker and all of them. So that’s to me, is when you make a suggestion about who your team and who your favorite players is, I don’t get into that, because it ain’t nothing but your opinion. That’s your opinion. That’s not what it’s really about. We can’t judge that, because they played in a different era than we did. We never played against each other.

Gary Payton:
We never could put our talents against [inaudible 00:55:01], because we’ll never know. Because when I was 21, they probably wasn’t even born. So, you know what I’m saying? So I can’t say that. So he can have his opinion about all of that and it’s about who he like. You know what I’m saying? He might not have a relationship like that with another players, so he pick somebody else. So that is what it is. So, I really don’t care about all of that. He don’t never have to put me on the team. I don’t care. You know what I’m saying? He’s got a-

Kenyon Rasheed:
Gary, did you ever have the freedom to come down and pull from the logo? Did you ever have the freedom to do that whenever you wanted, just from the logo?

Gary Payton:
No, because George would have sat me down man.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Exactly.

Gary Payton:
If couldn’t shoot that. If I couldn’t be … That wasn’t in my game. George would be like, “Yo, man, let me holler at you for a minute. That ain’t in your game [inaudible 00:55:43]. Do what you supposed to do and I ain’t going to say nothing to you, but when you come down there, you disrespecting your team mates, myself, and these fans, because you’re shooting shots that getting us out the game.”

Kenyon Rasheed:
Getting us out the game.

Gary Payton:
And that wasn’t my shot. I couldn’t shoot that. You know what I’m saying? I wasn’t a shooter like that. I was a guy who could get you in that pain, and I’ll kill you. You know what I’m saying? So I do my strengths. So, that with me, that’s why I don’t like to pick, the [inaudible 00:56:11], all that stupid stuff, man. Like I said, Kareem, or Will Chamberlain was probably the best basketball player I ever seen play. I’m just going to say that, ever. You know what I’m saying? So, I’m not going to say he’s the number one GOAT, but I’ll just say he’s the best player I’ve seen, in my life. So that is what it is. So he can say whatever he wants to say, that’s his opinion. You know what I’m saying? And my opinion is that. So we’re all Hall of Famers. In 2023, when they say Gary Payton is NBA Hall of Famer, when [inaudible 00:56:44] is inducted into the Hall of Fame, I could careless. I did what I had to do in the NBA, and that’s what it was.

Dawn Lupul:
That’s the opinion that matters to me. And guys I think we agree, the Hall of Fame opinion carries more weight than mine, that’s for sure. Than anyone’s. Gary, you’re so much fun for playing along with this, because I know you don’t like those questions. But, I appreciate hearing the shout out to those older names, because you don’t hear them that much anymore.

Brian Jones:
See, he’s a guard. He’s a team player.

Dawn Lupul:
He is a team player. We’re all team players on this show. Guys we’re going to wrap it up. We have so much coming up in the next couple of weeks. Make sure that you like, subscribe, hit the notification button, so you don’t miss out on any of these shows. It’s Hall of Fame central, Brain Jones, Kenyon Rasheed, Gary Payton and Dawn Lupul along with you for this week here on what is it? Unfiltered, brought to by BetUS.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Brought to you by BetUS.

Dawn Lupul:
Yes. America’s favorite sports book. Gary.

Brian Jones:
You bet. You win. Your ass gets paid.

Kenyon Rasheed:
You win. Your ass get paid.

Gary Payton:
Your ass gets paid.

Dawn Lupul:
Your ass gets paid. We’ll see you next week.

Kenyon Rasheed:
Holler. Good-

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